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+ Le 07/06/2011 10:00, Olav Vitters a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+ <blockquote cite="mid:20110607080033.GA5019@bkor.dhs.org"
+ type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On the other hand, I'd like to still have the possibility to keep
+and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn't both stable
+and reliable and complete yet.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it'll
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.
+
+Regarding GNOME 3 not being reliable, can you reference some bugreports?
+This as I don't see any huge problems, especially not for a .0 release.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <font face="Liberation Sans"><br>
+ The falback mode still relies qui a lot on Gnome 3. I concede I
+ need to do some more testing on a longer period of time, but on
+ the two computer using a SuSE based system running Gnome 3, I had
+ quite a lot numerous visual issues and got one program crashing.
+ But some time has passed and there were probably updates so I need
+ to retest. <br>
+ <br>
+ But looking at the available environments, I'm thinking that in
+ case some people really can't handle Gnome 3, there is actually
+ Xfce that can be a good fallback. I'm not sure there are enough
+ people for maintaining Gnome 2.32 for six extra months. I am
+ simply cautions about releases that may not be really polished and
+ stable. <br>
+ </font>
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+ Le 07/06/2011 10:00, Olav Vitters a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+ <blockquote cite="mid:20110607080033.GA5019@bkor.dhs.org"
+ type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On the other hand, I'd like to still have the possibility to keep
+and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn't both stable
+and reliable and complete yet.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it'll
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.
+
+Regarding GNOME 3 not being reliable, can you reference some bugreports?
+This as I don't see any huge problems, especially not for a .0 release.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <font face="Liberation Sans"><br>
+ The falback mode still relies qui a lot on Gnome 3. I concede I
+ need to do some more testing on a longer period of time, but on
+ the two computer using a SuSE based system running Gnome 3, I had
+ quite a lot numerous visual issues and got one program crashing.
+ But some time has passed and there were probably updates so I need
+ to retest. <br>
+ <br>
+ But looking at the available environments, I'm thinking that in
+ case some people really can't handle Gnome 3, there is actually
+ Xfce that can be a good fallback. I'm not sure there are enough
+ people for maintaining Gnome 2.32 for six extra months. I am
+ simply cautions about releases that may not be really polished and
+ stable. <br>
+ </font>
+ </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/7 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:<br>
+&gt; On the other hand, I&#39;d like to still have the possibility to keep<br>
+&gt; and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn&#39;t both stable<br>
+&gt; and reliable and complete yet.<br>
+<br>
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it&#39;ll<br>
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like<br>
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.<br></blockquote></div>Fallback mode would be killed someday....<br><br>I don&#39;t think that a good statement to argue that GNOME3 can replace<br><br>GNOME2.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/7 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:<br>
+&gt; On the other hand, I&#39;d like to still have the possibility to keep<br>
+&gt; and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn&#39;t both stable<br>
+&gt; and reliable and complete yet.<br>
+<br>
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it&#39;ll<br>
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like<br>
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.<br></blockquote></div>Fallback mode would be killed someday....<br><br>I don&#39;t think that a good statement to argue that GNOME3 can replace<br><br>GNOME2.<br>
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+Until today i was using F15 with Gnome3, now i use Mageia with LXDE, and i like it, looks nice so.<br><br>I&#39;m not a packager, yet, so i am not able to maintain gnome3 for mageia.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM, philippe makowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:makowski.mageia@gmail.com">makowski.mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">2011/6/7 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Personally, I am not convinced Gnome 3 is good yet, essentially in terms of<br>
+&gt; productivity. So it is not only because of some technical issues that may<br>
+&gt; appear more or less randomly, but also because of the concept of Gnome 3<br>
+&gt; itself. But this is very subjective<br>
+</div>yes very<br>
+<br>
+Before the storm and lightning damage my main computer, I was using<br>
+F15 with Gnome 3<br>
+and I like it<br>
+<br>
+now I have a box under Mageia, and I miss Gnome 3 ;)<br>
+<br>
+but I like Mageia of course<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Until today i was using F15 with Gnome3, now i use Mageia with LXDE, and i like it, looks nice so.<br><br>I&#39;m not a packager, yet, so i am not able to maintain gnome3 for mageia.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM, philippe makowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:makowski.mageia@gmail.com">makowski.mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">2011/6/7 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Personally, I am not convinced Gnome 3 is good yet, essentially in terms of<br>
+&gt; productivity. So it is not only because of some technical issues that may<br>
+&gt; appear more or less randomly, but also because of the concept of Gnome 3<br>
+&gt; itself. But this is very subjective<br>
+</div>yes very<br>
+<br>
+Before the storm and lightning damage my main computer, I was using<br>
+F15 with Gnome 3<br>
+and I like it<br>
+<br>
+now I have a box under Mageia, and I miss Gnome 3 ;)<br>
+<br>
+but I like Mageia of course<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>