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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/35e2797c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/35e2797c/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a1221f9bf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/35e2797c/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +Is LSB going to be used in the ISO & the updates?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/8 Luca Berra <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it">bluca@vodka.it</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im">On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:43:46PM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 22:33, Luca Berra wrote :<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +> you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.<br> +<br> +you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them<br> +</blockquote> +<br> +No, because a roll back of a file can happen on any update. If a file is changed in release n-2 and rolled back in n-1, if you only consider packages 1 n-1 and n you miss the roll back for the people who updated to n-2 but missed the update to n-1.<br> + +</blockquote> +<br></div> +No, sir,<br> +<br> +If n contains n-1 this remains true at every increment of n, so you<br> +never need to look at n-2 because n-1 already contains it.<br> +<br> +But besides the teoric discussions there is no code project to do this,<br> +so all of this discussion is leading nowere.<br> +current deltarpm code works by creating binary deltas between two given<br> +rpms and, besides the fact we are not even sure it works with current<br> +lzma compressed rpms, the points raised by nanar all hold. so i dont'<br> +believe we will use deltarpm as it is.<br><font color="#888888"> +<br> +L.</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +<br> +-- <br> +Luca Berra -- <a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it" target="_blank">bluca@vodka.it</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/35e2797c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/35e2797c/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a1221f9bf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/35e2797c/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +Is LSB going to be used in the ISO & the updates?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/8 Luca Berra <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it">bluca@vodka.it</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im">On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:43:46PM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 22:33, Luca Berra wrote :<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +> you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.<br> +<br> +you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them<br> +</blockquote> +<br> +No, because a roll back of a file can happen on any update. If a file is changed in release n-2 and rolled back in n-1, if you only consider packages 1 n-1 and n you miss the roll back for the people who updated to n-2 but missed the update to n-1.<br> + +</blockquote> +<br></div> +No, sir,<br> +<br> +If n contains n-1 this remains true at every increment of n, so you<br> +never need to look at n-2 because n-1 already contains it.<br> +<br> +But besides the teoric discussions there is no code project to do this,<br> +so all of this discussion is leading nowere.<br> +current deltarpm code works by creating binary deltas between two given<br> +rpms and, besides the fact we are not even sure it works with current<br> +lzma compressed rpms, the points raised by nanar all hold. so i dont'<br> +believe we will use deltarpm as it is.<br><font color="#888888"> +<br> +L.</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +<br> +-- <br> +Luca Berra -- <a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it" target="_blank">bluca@vodka.it</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/4813d33f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/4813d33f/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a24a5341e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/4813d33f/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +2010/11/9 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +"Erin Wilkins" <<a href="mailto:erin@sea-dragon.net">erin@sea-dragon.net</a>> schrieb am 2010-11-09<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Maarten Vanraes <<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> > the i686 _IS_ the default one for x86 cpus<br> +><br> +> In the standard installer. But I believe ONE uses 586 to be able to run on<br> +> as wide a range of hardware as possible.<br> +</div></div>Exactly! The problem is: the One shell run on all possible machines, so it<br> +uses the i586 kernel. And there just is not enough space on a CD image to put<br> +another kernel on it.<br> +When you're installing from a Free you get the best kernel for your system.<br> +With a 32bit system using less then approximately 4GB RAM you'll get the<br> +Desktop (i686) kernel, when using more you'll get the Server kernel.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats may be correct, I dont know I never used the "free" one. The problem is that people with light DSL ( like I do ) cant get the "Free" version of Mandriva ( Mageia ) and the only option is to DL the One Iso. Thats also what I think of. Most people get the One Iso because it is:<br> +<br>1. A smart Iso, fits on a CD.<br>2. Has all componens Out of the Box ( driver and stuff like that )<br>3. Only ~700MB to download and not 2-3GB ;)<br><br>Thus our main "consumer" are going to DL the One iso. So we have to focus on that. And when there is a Kernel which is going to slow down my System I am not going to use it anymore. I mean what are the main diffrents of them? Only a few configs right? Maybe we do it dynamic and he is autodetecting the System and config the Kernel that way. Is that possible or is then a new building of the Kernel needed? Maybe thats the sulution. I mean where are going to discuss here and it would realy be an improvment, when we allow People to use a modern and fast kernel and not a kernel which is going to slow the system ( well only a bit ) just because there are some people who are proud the use a Pentium II CPU just to be cool. You can get a 64-bit CPU computer for less then 200€. Thats not the problem in my eyes.<br> +Sure it is correct, that they should use 64-Bit Mandriva. But not everyone is doing it. We talk about general configurations and not about a short group of people. Maybe we should think that way.<br><br>I hope you guys understand what I mean ;)<br> +<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/4813d33f/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/4813d33f/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a24a5341e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/4813d33f/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +2010/11/9 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +"Erin Wilkins" <<a href="mailto:erin@sea-dragon.net">erin@sea-dragon.net</a>> schrieb am 2010-11-09<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Maarten Vanraes <<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> > the i686 _IS_ the default one for x86 cpus<br> +><br> +> In the standard installer. But I believe ONE uses 586 to be able to run on<br> +> as wide a range of hardware as possible.<br> +</div></div>Exactly! The problem is: the One shell run on all possible machines, so it<br> +uses the i586 kernel. And there just is not enough space on a CD image to put<br> +another kernel on it.<br> +When you're installing from a Free you get the best kernel for your system.<br> +With a 32bit system using less then approximately 4GB RAM you'll get the<br> +Desktop (i686) kernel, when using more you'll get the Server kernel.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats may be correct, I dont know I never used the "free" one. The problem is that people with light DSL ( like I do ) cant get the "Free" version of Mandriva ( Mageia ) and the only option is to DL the One Iso. Thats also what I think of. Most people get the One Iso because it is:<br> +<br>1. A smart Iso, fits on a CD.<br>2. Has all componens Out of the Box ( driver and stuff like that )<br>3. Only ~700MB to download and not 2-3GB ;)<br><br>Thus our main "consumer" are going to DL the One iso. So we have to focus on that. And when there is a Kernel which is going to slow down my System I am not going to use it anymore. I mean what are the main diffrents of them? Only a few configs right? Maybe we do it dynamic and he is autodetecting the System and config the Kernel that way. Is that possible or is then a new building of the Kernel needed? Maybe thats the sulution. I mean where are going to discuss here and it would realy be an improvment, when we allow People to use a modern and fast kernel and not a kernel which is going to slow the system ( well only a bit ) just because there are some people who are proud the use a Pentium II CPU just to be cool. You can get a 64-bit CPU computer for less then 200€. Thats not the problem in my eyes.<br> +Sure it is correct, that they should use 64-Bit Mandriva. But not everyone is doing it. We talk about general configurations and not about a short group of people. Maybe we should think that way.<br><br>I hope you guys understand what I mean ;)<br> +<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/cb640036/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/cb640036/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7776b1ecf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/cb640036/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/9 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +What we do need to think about is a x86_64 live cd<br> +<br> +--<br><font color="#888888"> +Thomas<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats a good Idea. Cause Mandiva only has x84 as One iso's.<br>To the other point:<br>Sure ... you are right and I dont want it to sound like " I have an opinion so we have to do it ". Its only an advice to a problem I see atm. ;)<br> +<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/cb640036/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/cb640036/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7776b1ecf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101109/cb640036/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/9 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +What we do need to think about is a x86_64 live cd<br> +<br> +--<br><font color="#888888"> +Thomas<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats a good Idea. Cause Mandiva only has x84 as One iso's.<br>To the other point:<br>Sure ... you are right and I dont want it to sound like " I have an opinion so we have to do it ". Its only an advice to a problem I see atm. ;)<br> +<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br> |