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+Is LSB going to be used in the ISO &amp; the updates?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/8 Luca Berra <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it">bluca@vodka.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:43:46PM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 22:33, Luca Berra wrote :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.<br>
+<br>
+you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+No, because a roll back of a file can happen on any update. If a file is changed in release n-2 and rolled back in n-1, if you only consider packages 1 n-1 and n you miss the roll back for the people who updated to n-2 but missed the update to n-1.<br>
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+No, sir,<br>
+<br>
+If n contains n-1 this remains true at every increment of n, so you<br>
+never need to look at n-2 because n-1 already contains it.<br>
+<br>
+But besides the teoric discussions there is no code project to do this,<br>
+so all of this discussion is leading nowere.<br>
+current deltarpm code works by creating binary deltas between two given<br>
+rpms and, besides the fact we are not even sure it works with current<br>
+lzma compressed rpms, the points raised by nanar all hold. so i dont&#39;<br>
+believe we will use deltarpm as it is.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+L.</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Luca Berra -- <a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it" target="_blank">bluca@vodka.it</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Is LSB going to be used in the ISO &amp; the updates?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/8 Luca Berra <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it">bluca@vodka.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:43:46PM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 22:33, Luca Berra wrote :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.<br>
+<br>
+you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+No, because a roll back of a file can happen on any update. If a file is changed in release n-2 and rolled back in n-1, if you only consider packages 1 n-1 and n you miss the roll back for the people who updated to n-2 but missed the update to n-1.<br>
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+No, sir,<br>
+<br>
+If n contains n-1 this remains true at every increment of n, so you<br>
+never need to look at n-2 because n-1 already contains it.<br>
+<br>
+But besides the teoric discussions there is no code project to do this,<br>
+so all of this discussion is leading nowere.<br>
+current deltarpm code works by creating binary deltas between two given<br>
+rpms and, besides the fact we are not even sure it works with current<br>
+lzma compressed rpms, the points raised by nanar all hold. so i dont&#39;<br>
+believe we will use deltarpm as it is.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+L.</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Luca Berra -- <a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it" target="_blank">bluca@vodka.it</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+2010/11/9 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&quot;Erin Wilkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:erin@sea-dragon.net">erin@sea-dragon.net</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-11-09<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; the i686 _IS_ the default one for x86 cpus<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In the standard installer. But I believe ONE uses 586 to be able to run on<br>
+&gt; as wide a range of hardware as possible.<br>
+</div></div>Exactly! The problem is: the One shell run on all possible machines, so it<br>
+uses the i586 kernel. And there just is not enough space on a CD image to put<br>
+another kernel on it.<br>
+When you&#39;re installing from a Free you get the best kernel for your system.<br>
+With a 32bit system using less then approximately 4GB RAM you&#39;ll get the<br>
+Desktop (i686) kernel, when using more you&#39;ll get the Server kernel.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats may be correct, I dont know I never used the &quot;free&quot; one. The problem is that people with light DSL ( like I do ) cant get the &quot;Free&quot; version of Mandriva ( Mageia ) and the only option is to DL the One Iso. Thats also what I think of. Most people get the One Iso because it is:<br>
+<br>1. A smart Iso, fits on a CD.<br>2. Has all componens Out of the Box ( driver and stuff like that )<br>3. Only ~700MB to download and not 2-3GB ;)<br><br>Thus our main &quot;consumer&quot; are going to DL the One iso. So we have to focus on that. And when there is a Kernel which is going to slow down my System I am not going to use it anymore. I mean what are the main diffrents of them? Only a few configs right? Maybe we do it dynamic and he is autodetecting the System and config the Kernel that way. Is that possible or is then a new building of the Kernel needed? Maybe thats the sulution. I mean where are going to discuss here and it would realy be an improvment, when we allow People to use a modern and fast kernel and not a kernel which is going to slow the system ( well only a bit ) just because there are some people who are proud the use a Pentium II CPU just to be cool. You can get a 64-bit CPU computer for less then 200€. Thats not the problem in my eyes.<br>
+Sure it is correct, that they should use 64-Bit Mandriva. But not everyone is doing it. We talk about general configurations and not about a short group of people. Maybe we should think that way.<br><br>I hope you guys understand what I mean ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>
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+2010/11/9 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&quot;Erin Wilkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:erin@sea-dragon.net">erin@sea-dragon.net</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-11-09<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; the i686 _IS_ the default one for x86 cpus<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In the standard installer. But I believe ONE uses 586 to be able to run on<br>
+&gt; as wide a range of hardware as possible.<br>
+</div></div>Exactly! The problem is: the One shell run on all possible machines, so it<br>
+uses the i586 kernel. And there just is not enough space on a CD image to put<br>
+another kernel on it.<br>
+When you&#39;re installing from a Free you get the best kernel for your system.<br>
+With a 32bit system using less then approximately 4GB RAM you&#39;ll get the<br>
+Desktop (i686) kernel, when using more you&#39;ll get the Server kernel.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats may be correct, I dont know I never used the &quot;free&quot; one. The problem is that people with light DSL ( like I do ) cant get the &quot;Free&quot; version of Mandriva ( Mageia ) and the only option is to DL the One Iso. Thats also what I think of. Most people get the One Iso because it is:<br>
+<br>1. A smart Iso, fits on a CD.<br>2. Has all componens Out of the Box ( driver and stuff like that )<br>3. Only ~700MB to download and not 2-3GB ;)<br><br>Thus our main &quot;consumer&quot; are going to DL the One iso. So we have to focus on that. And when there is a Kernel which is going to slow down my System I am not going to use it anymore. I mean what are the main diffrents of them? Only a few configs right? Maybe we do it dynamic and he is autodetecting the System and config the Kernel that way. Is that possible or is then a new building of the Kernel needed? Maybe thats the sulution. I mean where are going to discuss here and it would realy be an improvment, when we allow People to use a modern and fast kernel and not a kernel which is going to slow the system ( well only a bit ) just because there are some people who are proud the use a Pentium II CPU just to be cool. You can get a 64-bit CPU computer for less then 200€. Thats not the problem in my eyes.<br>
+Sure it is correct, that they should use 64-Bit Mandriva. But not everyone is doing it. We talk about general configurations and not about a short group of people. Maybe we should think that way.<br><br>I hope you guys understand what I mean ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/9 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+What we do need to think about is a x86_64 live cd<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats a good Idea. Cause Mandiva only has x84 as One iso&#39;s.<br>To the other point:<br>Sure ... you are right and I dont want it to sound like &quot; I have an opinion so we have to do it &quot;. Its only an advice to a problem I see atm. ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/9 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+What we do need to think about is a x86_64 live cd<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats a good Idea. Cause Mandiva only has x84 as One iso&#39;s.<br>To the other point:<br>Sure ... you are right and I dont want it to sound like &quot; I have an opinion so we have to do it &quot;. Its only an advice to a problem I see atm. ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>