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+ +12 +00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400 +Quite + +13 +00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000 +It remembers Mandriva, + +14 +00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200 +Mandriva I had left in my head a time when + +15 +00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000 + there were many financial difficulties, + +16 +00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 + it was not well what it was going to give. + +17 +00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500 + Tell us a little bit what happened + +18 +00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000 +and what made you want + +19 +00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500 +to create this Mageia fork. + +20 +00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 +This fork Mageia came + +21 +00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 +a whole lot of uncertainties that reside in Mandriva, + +22 +00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100 +I was myself employed by a subsidiary of Mandriva. + +23 +00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 +It was felt there had been 12 years + +24 +00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 +of tremendous work performed on this distribution + +25 +00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 +and need to sustain this effort + +26 +00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 + and we wanted + +27 +00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000 +to abstract from the presence a company + +28 +00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 +that had high and low economic level + +29 +00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 +and we decided to fork, ie + +30 +00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 +resume distribution Mandriva Linux + +31 +00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 +one point from a copy simply + +32 +00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 +because the license allows + +33 +00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500 +and assembling a new project from there and only Community + +34 +00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 +within an association + +35 +00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 +and the project is called Mageia. + +36 +00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500 +So it's very fashionable because ultimately what you have done, + +37 +00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,200 +people from the MySQL community did + +38 +00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000 +at the time of acquisition by Oracle, + +39 +00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 + they accepted the takeover by Sun, + +40 +00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500 +they have not accepted the takeover by Oracle. + +41 +00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000 +We learned yesterday that the OpenOffice community + +42 +00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 +was doing the same thing too + +43 +00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,500 +because they do not agree with the direction of Oracle. + +44 +00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,000 +So finally for those who do not know + +45 +00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 +where all these terms, a Forking + +46 +00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500 +is that you can resume the original source code + +47 +00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800 +and create for the moment exactly the same thing, a true copy? + +48 +00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 +Altogether, it does not reinvent the wheel, + +49 +00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:10,100 + since I mentioned earlier, + +50 +00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,000 + we believe many technology integrated + +51 +00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,500 +with Mandriva Linux, + +52 +00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,700 + we think it's really a strong point, + +53 +00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,000 +but it would work differently + +54 +00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 +in the development of future distribution + +55 +00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,700 +Mageia So it'll be a 1901 association therefore non-profit? + +56 +00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 +Quite + +57 +00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 +built around the community, + +58 +00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,400 +developers in fact, + +59 +00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500 + it is community developers + +60 +00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500 +who are members of the association? + +61 +00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000 +Then the members of the association will overlap + +62 +00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 + with the full scope of that affect people + +63 +00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 + directly or indirectly to a distribution. + +64 +00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 +It will be developers, people who are + +65 +00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 +packaging software, testers translators, + +66 +00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 +but also because today what users. The strength + +67 +00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 + of a distribution is the ability of its community + +68 +00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 +users to promote the distribution + +69 +00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 +so they have a part quite predominant and essential + +70 +00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 +in the association. + +71 +00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 +So it begs the question + +72 +00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 + why an association? + +73 +00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 + You think today is the best way + +74 +00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500 +to work together on a project like this? + +75 +00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000 +Found that the values of freedom today + +76 +00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000 +are that it can be a little demanding + +77 +00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 +on the necessity of sharing + +78 +00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,000 +the sustainability of the software, etc.. + +79 +00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000 +and given the history and challenges of the time, + +80 +00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 +Mandriva has been estimated that a community project + +81 +00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 +was more appropriate and + +82 +00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 +the association is only there to regulate + +83 +00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000 +the use of resources organization, so yes there is a + +84 +00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000 +community project but organized in a lasting way. + +85 +00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000 + At the same time we must live, + +86 +00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 + you were employed by a company + +87 +00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 +that working on Mandriva, + +88 +00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 +you may have wanted to find a job and back wages + +89 +00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 +Yes, it would be nice. + +90 +00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 +It must be that all that great, + +91 +00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500 +how is what generates the income fully associative structure? + +92 +00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500 + Then the association is one thing, + +93 +00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100 +it produces a product that Mageia + +94 +00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 +which is called a distribution. + +95 +00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 +We can consider a perfectly + +96 +00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 + commercial structure that will act in the periphery of the association and + +97 +00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 +will based on the distribution called Mageia and + +98 +00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 +will offer a whole lots of service as support, + +99 +00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 + consulting, development, + +100 +00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000 +thereby help the company take this product + +101 +00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000 +has tremendous community strength + +102 +00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200 +and integrate it into its array of solutions it may have. + +103 +00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200 +So now you're faced with a number of needs, + +104 +00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000 +urgent first need we will try to answer them all + +105 +00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 +is to make a bit of noise around Mageia + +106 +00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200 +because nobody knows. + +107 +00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000 +Nobody knows the outdoors in the little world of open source. + +108 +00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000 +I admit that we were very pleasantly surprised + +109 +00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 +by the return because not Mandriva only the present community + +110 +00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 +has reacted to the announcement and acceded + +111 +00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000 +but also because people using Mandrake at the time + +112 +00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 + and returning because he believes + +113 +00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 +it is a little more to their expectation that they and their vision + +114 +00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 +of an open source distribution. + +115 +00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 + Be careful what is called the + +116 +00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 +navel syndrome, which that people who know you and + +117 +00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 +you know how difficult it is to ensure that those who do not know + +118 +00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 +you have the reflex to go see Mageia + +119 +00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000 +rather because he must say things very clear shot of you + +120 +00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800 +become a little competition from Mandriva? + +121 +00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,000 +Quite + +122 +00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700 + How is what you do to try to promote this new brand, + +123 +00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000 +because it costs money as all that? + +124 +00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000 +Is finally starting very small + +125 +00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 +since the initiative was made very short time, + +126 +00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200 + we launched an appeal for donations + +127 +00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000 +which currently meets extremely well, we had solutions + +128 +00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 +to enable us to host our entire infrastructure, a + +129 +00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000 +nd we will try to sustain it in companies adhering to the association, + +130 +00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000 + and finally it becomes account that there are many users who understand + +131 +00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500 +that the Free software is not necessarily free and + +132 +00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000 +that I can to support the distribution rather than put a little money + +133 +00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 +every month by example + +134 +00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 +since I know that this money will be used so transparent + +135 +00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 +and maintaining a number of value. + +136 +00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500 +We have many returns on that front. + +137 +00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000 + And do you think that you will generate enough money eventually + +138 +00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 +pay people who will permanently work + +139 +00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 +distribution? + +140 +00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000 +Immediate not within the Association, + +141 +00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 +cons in a business structure + +142 +00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 +that offer services can be more traditional + +143 +00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 +here we can actually generate income + +144 +00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 +and that income may possibly be + +145 +00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 + used to fund developments + +146 +00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 +additional distribution + +147 +00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000 +Very good transition, is what you have already thought about it + +148 +00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 +should evolve within Mageia that it continues to meet required? + +149 +00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 +At the same time Mandriva + +150 +00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 +was in trouble for some time that therefore + +151 +00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 + may be missing a bit of development, + +152 +00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 +is what you want do new things? + +153 +00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 +So yes, there are plenty of things we want to do, lots of things. + +154 +00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 +Among others, there is a huge strength is the + +155 +00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000 +control center, the Linux Control Center + +156 +00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 +and now it's to change, + +157 +00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 +the rejuvenate because it's true that it is a little older and then + +158 +00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000 +why not move towards architectures + +159 +00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 +that are increasingly used as shelves for example, + +160 +00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 +and can also switch to + +161 +00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 +openness to services like cloud, etc.. + +162 +00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 + so all that they are guidelines + +163 +00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500 + that will define in the coming weeks. + +164 +00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500 +You have a real functioning associations, participatory? + +165 +00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000 +Quite + +166 +00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 +You will meet regularly? + +167 +00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500 +While meeting a little bit special as they will because the virtual + +168 +00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400 +community Mageia is international, + +169 +00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500 +ie, it's a lot in Europe, South America, so + +170 +00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000 +in these cases we do can not do real meetings, + +171 +00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000 +the fact remains that these are people who are accustomed + +172 +00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 +to working in that way, remote, + +173 +00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000 +so yes it will meetings, as each interest group, + +174 +00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 +we will have a board to manage the association + +175 +00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500 +to make a strategic decision, + +176 +00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000 +especially so many communication, perhaps what we missed. + +177 +00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000 +Okay, we hope to have made our small contribution, + +178 +00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,500 +good luck in this project. + +179 +00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,000 +Thank you + +180 +00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,200 +We will continue elsewhere if we want to know more the website is + +181 +00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000 +mageia.org + +182 +00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 +m-a-g-e-i-a + +183 +00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 +Anne Nicolas, thank you very much. + +184 +00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 + Thanks + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96bd306eb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> +<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css"> +p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } +</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> [...]</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> google translate to english:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> new guest Anne Nicolas,</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into <span style=" font-weight:600;">ENGLISH</span>, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I used the software "Subtitle Editor 0.36.2" (http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/) in Mandriva 2010.1. </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">W</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ith this file and this software, can be done easily translated into other languages.</span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">There is a wiki (http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation) with documentation about how to do a translation with "</span>Subtitle Editor"<span style=" color:#000000;">. </span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using the "Subtitle Editor", y<span style=" color:#000000;">ou open this file with subtitles in english and select the toolbar "view" and "translate". </span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">But I call attention to the need to save the translation in a separate file. This is done in the (toolbar) "File" "save" and "save translation". give a "new name" and "ok".</span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>attached file name -->> (Subtitle_Anne-Nicolas_October-2010_english.srt)</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.bin new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9d299b51b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.bin @@ -0,0 +1,736 @@ +1 +00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 +Paris, oct - 2010 + +2 +00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:10,000 +Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of Open World Forum + +3 +00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 +We will now turn to another topic with our + +4 +00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,700 +new guest Anne Nicolas, Hello + +5 +00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:15,700 +(Anne Nicolas) Hello + +6 +00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:19,200 +So you work for a community called Mageia + +7 +00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,000 +Absolutely + +8 +00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400 +But then there are our listeners are saying + +9 +00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,000 + "but never heard Mageia speaking, + +10 +00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 +what is it that the promotion of this new thing" + +11 +00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400 +is a Mageia fork of Mandriva? + +12 +00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400 +Quite + +13 +00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000 +It remembers Mandriva, + +14 +00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200 +Mandriva I had left in my head a time when + +15 +00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000 + there were many financial difficulties, + +16 +00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 + it was not well what it was going to give. + +17 +00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500 + Tell us a little bit what happened + +18 +00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000 +and what made you want + +19 +00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500 +to create this Mageia fork. + +20 +00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 +This fork Mageia came + +21 +00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 +a whole lot of uncertainties that reside in Mandriva, + +22 +00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100 +I was myself employed by a subsidiary of Mandriva. + +23 +00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 +It was felt there had been 12 years + +24 +00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 +of tremendous work performed on this distribution + +25 +00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 +and need to sustain this effort + +26 +00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 + and we wanted + +27 +00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000 +to abstract from the presence a company + +28 +00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 +that had high and low economic level + +29 +00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 +and we decided to fork, ie + +30 +00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 +resume distribution Mandriva Linux + +31 +00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 +one point from a copy simply + +32 +00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 +because the license allows + +33 +00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500 +and assembling a new project from there and only Community + +34 +00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 +within an association + +35 +00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 +and the project is called Mageia. + +36 +00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500 +So it's very fashionable because ultimately what you have done, + +37 +00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,200 +people from the MySQL community did + +38 +00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000 +at the time of acquisition by Oracle, + +39 +00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 + they accepted the takeover by Sun, + +40 +00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500 +they have not accepted the takeover by Oracle. + +41 +00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000 +We learned yesterday that the OpenOffice community + +42 +00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 +was doing the same thing too + +43 +00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,500 +because they do not agree with the direction of Oracle. + +44 +00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,000 +So finally for those who do not know + +45 +00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 +where all these terms, a Forking + +46 +00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500 +is that you can resume the original source code + +47 +00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800 +and create for the moment exactly the same thing, a true copy? + +48 +00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 +Altogether, it does not reinvent the wheel, + +49 +00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:10,100 + since I mentioned earlier, + +50 +00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,000 + we believe many technology integrated + +51 +00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,500 +with Mandriva Linux, + +52 +00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,700 + we think it's really a strong point, + +53 +00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,000 +but it would work differently + +54 +00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 +in the development of future distribution + +55 +00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,700 +Mageia So it'll be a 1901 association therefore non-profit? + +56 +00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 +Quite + +57 +00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 +built around the community, + +58 +00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,400 +developers in fact, + +59 +00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500 + it is community developers + +60 +00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500 +who are members of the association? + +61 +00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000 +Then the members of the association will overlap + +62 +00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 + with the full scope of that affect people + +63 +00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 + directly or indirectly to a distribution. + +64 +00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 +It will be developers, people who are + +65 +00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 +packaging software, testers translators, + +66 +00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 +but also because today what users. The strength + +67 +00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 + of a distribution is the ability of its community + +68 +00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 +users to promote the distribution + +69 +00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 +so they have a part quite predominant and essential + +70 +00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 +in the association. + +71 +00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 +So it begs the question + +72 +00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 + why an association? + +73 +00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 + You think today is the best way + +74 +00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500 +to work together on a project like this? + +75 +00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000 +Found that the values of freedom today + +76 +00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000 +are that it can be a little demanding + +77 +00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 +on the necessity of sharing + +78 +00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,000 +the sustainability of the software, etc.. + +79 +00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000 +and given the history and challenges of the time, + +80 +00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 +Mandriva has been estimated that a community project + +81 +00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 +was more appropriate and + +82 +00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 +the association is only there to regulate + +83 +00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000 +the use of resources organization, so yes there is a + +84 +00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000 +community project but organized in a lasting way. + +85 +00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000 + At the same time we must live, + +86 +00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 + you were employed by a company + +87 +00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 +that working on Mandriva, + +88 +00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 +you may have wanted to find a job and back wages + +89 +00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 +Yes, it would be nice. + +90 +00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 +It must be that all that great, + +91 +00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500 +how is what generates the income fully associative structure? + +92 +00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500 + Then the association is one thing, + +93 +00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100 +it produces a product that Mageia + +94 +00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 +which is called a distribution. + +95 +00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 +We can consider a perfectly + +96 +00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 + commercial structure that will act in the periphery of the association and + +97 +00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 +will based on the distribution called Mageia and + +98 +00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 +will offer a whole lots of service as support, + +99 +00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 + consulting, development, + +100 +00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000 +thereby help the company take this product + +101 +00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000 +has tremendous community strength + +102 +00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200 +and integrate it into its array of solutions it may have. + +103 +00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200 +So now you're faced with a number of needs, + +104 +00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000 +urgent first need we will try to answer them all + +105 +00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 +is to make a bit of noise around Mageia + +106 +00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200 +because nobody knows. + +107 +00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000 +Nobody knows the outdoors in the little world of open source. + +108 +00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000 +I admit that we were very pleasantly surprised + +109 +00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 +by the return because not Mandriva only the present community + +110 +00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 +has reacted to the announcement and acceded + +111 +00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000 +but also because people using Mandrake at the time + +112 +00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 + and returning because he believes + +113 +00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 +it is a little more to their expectation that they and their vision + +114 +00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 +of an open source distribution. + +115 +00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 + Be careful what is called the + +116 +00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 +navel syndrome, which that people who know you and + +117 +00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 +you know how difficult it is to ensure that those who do not know + +118 +00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 +you have the reflex to go see Mageia + +119 +00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000 +rather because he must say things very clear shot of you + +120 +00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800 +become a little competition from Mandriva? + +121 +00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,000 +Quite + +122 +00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700 + How is what you do to try to promote this new brand, + +123 +00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000 +because it costs money as all that? + +124 +00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000 +Is finally starting very small + +125 +00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 +since the initiative was made very short time, + +126 +00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200 + we launched an appeal for donations + +127 +00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000 +which currently meets extremely well, we had solutions + +128 +00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 +to enable us to host our entire infrastructure, a + +129 +00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000 +nd we will try to sustain it in companies adhering to the association, + +130 +00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000 + and finally it becomes account that there are many users who understand + +131 +00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500 +that the Free software is not necessarily free and + +132 +00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000 +that I can to support the distribution rather than put a little money + +133 +00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 +every month by example + +134 +00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 +since I know that this money will be used so transparent + +135 +00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 +and maintaining a number of value. + +136 +00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500 +We have many returns on that front. + +137 +00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000 + And do you think that you will generate enough money eventually + +138 +00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 +pay people who will permanently work + +139 +00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 +distribution? + +140 +00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000 +Immediate not within the Association, + +141 +00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 +cons in a business structure + +142 +00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 +that offer services can be more traditional + +143 +00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 +here we can actually generate income + +144 +00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 +and that income may possibly be + +145 +00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 + used to fund developments + +146 +00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 +additional distribution + +147 +00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000 +Very good transition, is what you have already thought about it + +148 +00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 +should evolve within Mageia that it continues to meet required? + +149 +00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 +At the same time Mandriva + +150 +00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 +was in trouble for some time that therefore + +151 +00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 + may be missing a bit of development, + +152 +00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 +is what you want do new things? + +153 +00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 +So yes, there are plenty of things we want to do, lots of things. + +154 +00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 +Among others, there is a huge strength is the + +155 +00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000 +control center, the Linux Control Center + +156 +00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 +and now it's to change, + +157 +00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 +the rejuvenate because it's true that it is a little older and then + +158 +00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000 +why not move towards architectures + +159 +00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 +that are increasingly used as shelves for example, + +160 +00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 +and can also switch to + +161 +00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 +openness to services like cloud, etc.. + +162 +00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 + so all that they are guidelines + +163 +00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500 + that will define in the coming weeks. + +164 +00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500 +You have a real functioning associations, participatory? + +165 +00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000 +Quite + +166 +00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 +You will meet regularly? + +167 +00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500 +While meeting a little bit special as they will because the virtual + +168 +00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400 +community Mageia is international, + +169 +00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500 +ie, it's a lot in Europe, South America, so + +170 +00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000 +in these cases we do can not do real meetings, + +171 +00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000 +the fact remains that these are people who are accustomed + +172 +00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 +to working in that way, remote, + +173 +00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000 +so yes it will meetings, as each interest group, + +174 +00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 +we will have a board to manage the association + +175 +00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500 +to make a strategic decision, + +176 +00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000 +especially so many communication, perhaps what we missed. + +177 +00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000 +Okay, we hope to have made our small contribution, + +178 +00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,500 +good luck in this project. + +179 +00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,000 +Thank you + +180 +00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,200 +We will continue elsewhere if we want to know more the website is + +181 +00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000 +mageia.org + +182 +00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 +m-a-g-e-i-a + +183 +00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 +Anne Nicolas, thank you very much. + +184 +00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 + Thanks + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96bd306eb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> +<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css"> +p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } +</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> [...]</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> google translate to english:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> new guest Anne Nicolas,</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into <span style=" font-weight:600;">ENGLISH</span>, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I used the software "Subtitle Editor 0.36.2" (http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/) in Mandriva 2010.1. </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">W</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ith this file and this software, can be done easily translated into other languages.</span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">There is a wiki (http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation) with documentation about how to do a translation with "</span>Subtitle Editor"<span style=" color:#000000;">. </span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using the "Subtitle Editor", y<span style=" color:#000000;">ou open this file with subtitles in english and select the toolbar "view" and "translate". </span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">But I call attention to the need to save the translation in a separate file. This is done in the (toolbar) "File" "save" and "save translation". give a "new name" and "ok".</span></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>attached file name -->> (Subtitle_Anne-Nicolas_October-2010_english.srt)</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/27a16956/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/27a16956/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e7f28154f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/27a16956/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br> +> I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we'll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br> + +<br> +Regards<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote><div> </div></div>From what I've seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. <br>You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? <br> +<br>Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla's ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/27a16956/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/27a16956/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e7f28154f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/27a16956/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br> +> I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we'll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br> + +<br> +Regards<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote><div> </div></div>From what I've seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. <br>You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? <br> +<br>Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla's ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/34a38d14/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/34a38d14/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..977b52434 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/34a38d14/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 21:53, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +I don't know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don't see what a plugin doing both is :)<br> +<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Perhaps I got it wrong, I thought the query to the sql database went trough an xml-rpc request.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im"> +><br> +> Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be<br> +> reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla's ?<br> +><br> +<br> +</div>Reasonable I don't know, but why not. <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com" target="_blank">doc4.mandriva.com</a> seems to link to debian's bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla's may be outside mageia-app-db's scope, however nothing prevents from studying its feasability.<br clear="all"> +<br></blockquote><div>Ok, for later.<br>I did'nt know <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com/" target="_blank">doc4</a>. I suppose it was too heavy to be considered ?<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/34a38d14/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/34a38d14/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..977b52434 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/34a38d14/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 21:53, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +I don't know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don't see what a plugin doing both is :)<br> +<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Perhaps I got it wrong, I thought the query to the sql database went trough an xml-rpc request.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im"> +><br> +> Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be<br> +> reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla's ?<br> +><br> +<br> +</div>Reasonable I don't know, but why not. <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com" target="_blank">doc4.mandriva.com</a> seems to link to debian's bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla's may be outside mageia-app-db's scope, however nothing prevents from studying its feasability.<br clear="all"> +<br></blockquote><div>Ok, for later.<br>I did'nt know <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com/" target="_blank">doc4</a>. I suppose it was too heavy to be considered ?<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/67d7f089/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/67d7f089/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d8fc0df33 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/67d7f089/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkzT5OAACgkQk29cDOWzfVDsVwCgwuvX4FIEJCMdgKY82GcrL1cU +L9EAn2UeGXe7sX8E0pHrUlAncYUTfZJo +=nHGx +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/67d7f089/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/67d7f089/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d8fc0df33 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/67d7f089/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkzT5OAACgkQk29cDOWzfVDsVwCgwuvX4FIEJCMdgKY82GcrL1cU +L9EAn2UeGXe7sX8E0pHrUlAncYUTfZJo +=nHGx +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/8341ac0d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/8341ac0d/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..485ea627f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/8341ac0d/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:21, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +> Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a<br><div><div class="h5"> +> page giving a synthetic view :<br> +><br> +> lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br> +> columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br> +> with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br> +> and simple visual representation of stats : usage, "satisfaction",<br> +> "open bugs" ... (with link to details)<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try to design this page's layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ?<br> + +<br> +</blockquote></div>Will do.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/8341ac0d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/8341ac0d/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..485ea627f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/8341ac0d/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:21, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +> Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a<br><div><div class="h5"> +> page giving a synthetic view :<br> +><br> +> lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br> +> columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br> +> with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br> +> and simple visual representation of stats : usage, "satisfaction",<br> +> "open bugs" ... (with link to details)<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try to design this page's layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ?<br> + +<br> +</blockquote></div>Will do.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.bin new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f49d0a216 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.bin @@ -0,0 +1,736 @@ +1 +00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 +Paris, outubro de 2010 + +2 +00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:10,000 +Ola a todos, bem-vindo a TV do Open World Forum + +3 +00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 + vamos agora a outro topico com a + +4 +00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,700 +nossa nova convidada, Anne Nicolas, Olá + +5 +00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:15,700 +(Anne Nicolas) Olá + +6 +00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:19,200 +Entao voce trabalha para uma comunidade chamada Mageia? + +7 +00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,000 +(AN) - Sim + +8 +00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400 +Mas os nossos ouvintes estão dizendo + +9 +00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,000 + que nunca ouviram falar em Mageia, + +10 +00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 +o que é a promoção dessa novidade? + +11 +00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400 +A Mageia e um fork do Mandriva? + +12 +00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400 +Exatamente + +13 +00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000 +Isso lembra Mandriva. + +14 +00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200 + Eu tinha lembro que há um tempo + +15 +00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000 +a Mandriva estava com muitas dificuldades financeiras + +16 +00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 +e ninguém sabia no que ia dar. + +17 +00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500 +Conte-nos um pouco o que aconteceu + +18 +00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000 + e o porque vocês desejaram + +19 +00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500 +criar este fork Mageia. + +20 +00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 +(AN) Este fork Mageia resulta + +21 +00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 +de um conjunto de incertezas que haviam na Mandriva. + +22 +00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100 +Eu era contratada por uma subsidiária da Mandriva. + +23 +00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 +Considerou-se que houve 12 anos + +24 +00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 +de trabalho extraordinário realizado nesta distribuição + +25 +00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 + e a necessidade de preservar este esforço + +26 +00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 +e para preservar este esforço nós buscamos + +27 +00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000 +excluir, finalmente, a presença de uma empresa + +28 +00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 +que tinha alto e baixos econômicos + +29 +00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 +e decidimos criar um fork, ou seja, + +30 +00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 +recomeçar a distribuição Mandriva Linux + +31 +00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 +a partir de uma cópia, simplesmente + +32 +00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 +porque a licença permite + +33 +00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500 +e montar um novo projeto a partir dali, somente com a comunidade + +34 +00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 +dentro de uma associação + +35 +00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 +e o projeto se chama atualmente Mageia. + +36 +00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500 +Então isso é muito elegante, porque afinal, o que vocês fizeram, + +37 +00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,200 + as pessoas da comunidade MySQL também fizeram + +38 +00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000 +no momento da aquisição pela Oracle. + +39 +00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 +Eles aceitaram a aquisição da MySQL pela Sun, + +40 +00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500 +mas eles não aceitaram a aquisição pela Oracle. + +41 +00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000 +Soubemos ontem que a comunidade OpenOffice + +42 +00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 + fez a mesma coisa também + +43 +00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,500 +porque eles não concordam com a direção da Oracle. + +44 +00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,000 + Então, finalmente, para aqueles que não sabem + +45 +00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 + de onde vem de todos esses termos, um fork + +46 +00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500 +é aquele você pode retomar o código fonte original + +47 +00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800 +e criar a partir dali, exatamente a mesma coisa, uma cópia fiel? + +48 +00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 +Exatamente, não reinventar a roda. + +49 +00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:10,100 +Como eu já mencionei anteriormente, + +50 +00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,000 +nós acreditamos em muitas tecnologias integradas + +51 +00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,500 +na distribuição Mandriva Linux, + +52 +00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,700 +nós pensamos que é realmente um ponto forte, + +53 +00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,000 + mas que irão trabalhar de forma diferente + +54 +00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 + no desenvolvimento da futura distribuição. + +55 +00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,700 +Mageia vai ser, então, uma associação sem fins lucrativos? + +56 +00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 +Exatamente + +57 +00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 +ConstruÃda em torno da comunidade, + +58 +00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,400 + os desenvolvedores de fato, + +59 +00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500 + É essa a comunidade de desenvolvedores + +60 +00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500 +que são os membros da associação? + +61 +00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000 +Então, os membros da associação irá incluir + +62 +00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 +o todo a gama de pessoas afetadas finalmente, + +63 +00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 +direta ou indiretamente pela distribuição. + +64 +00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 +Serão desenvolvedores, pessoas que são + +65 +00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 +empacotadores de software, testadores e tradutores, + +66 +00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 +mas também os usuários, porque hoje a força + +67 +00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 +de uma distribuição é a capacidade dos usuários + +68 +00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 + de sua comunidade para promover a distribuição + +69 +00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 +de modo que eles têm um papel muito preponderante e essencial + +70 +00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 +para a associação. + +71 +00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 + Por isso, repito a pergunta: + +72 +00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 +porque uma associação? + +73 +00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 +Você acha que hoje é a melhor maneira + +74 +00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500 +de trabalhar juntos em um projeto como este? + +75 +00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000 +Percebe-se que os valores de liberdade hoje + +76 +00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000 +pode ser um pouco exigente + +77 +00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 +quanto à necessidade de compartilhar a + +78 +00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,000 +sustentabilidade do software, etc. + +79 +00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000 + e dada a história e os desafios da Mandriva no tempo, + +80 +00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 + foi considerado que um projeto comunitário + +81 +00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 + era mais adequado e + +82 +00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 + a associação é apenas para regulamentar + +83 +00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000 + a utilização dos recursos da organização. Então sim, há um + +84 +00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000 +projeto de comunidade, mas organizada de forma duradoura. + +85 +00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000 +Ao mesmo tempo hoje nós precisamos viver, + +86 +00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 +você era contratada por uma empresa + +87 +00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 +que trabalhava para Mandriva, + +88 +00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 + você pode desejar encontrar um emprego e salários atrasados + +89 +00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 +AN - sim, seria bom + +90 +00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 +Isso deve ser tudo de bom, mas + +91 +00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500 +como é o que se gera a renda numa estrutura associativa? + +92 +00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500 +Então, a associação é uma coisa, + +93 +00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100 +ela desenvolve um produto chamado Mageia, + +94 +00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 +que é uma distribuição. + +95 +00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 + É perfeitamente possÃvel considerar uma + +96 +00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 +estrutura comercial que irá atuar na periferia da associação e + +97 +00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 + será baseada na distribuição chamada Mageia e + +98 +00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 +vai oferecer uma série de serviços como suporte, + +99 +00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 +consultoria, desenvolvimento, + +100 +00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000 + a fim de ajudar a comunidade empresarial a usar este produto, + +101 +00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000 + que tem uma força tremenda, + +102 +00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200 +e integrá-lo ao seu conjunto de solução disponÃveis. + +103 +00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200 +Agora você se depara com uma série de necessidades, + +104 +00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000 +a primeira necessidade que nós iremos tentar responder a todos + +105 +00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 +é fazer um pouco de barulho em torno Mageia, + +106 +00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200 + porque ninguém conhece. + +107 +00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000 +Ninguém conhece fora do pequeno mundo do software livre. + +108 +00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000 +Mas eu admito que fomos muito agradavelmente surpreendido + +109 +00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 + com o retorno, pois não só a comunidade Mandriva + +110 +00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 + reagiu aos anúncios e aderiu, + +111 +00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000 +mas também as pessoas que usaram o Mandrake + +112 +00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 + voltaram, porque acreditam que atende + +113 +00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 +um pouco mais a sua expectativa e sua visão + +114 +00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 +do que é uma distribuição de código aberto. + +115 +00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 +Deve haver cuidado com o que é chamado de + +116 +00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 + sÃndrome do umbigo, do fato das pessoas que te conhecerem + +117 +00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 +e o desafio de lidar com que aqueles que não sabem + +118 +00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 +que você tem a preferência pela Mageia, + +119 +00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000 +por isso se deve dizer as coisas bem claras por você se tornar + +120 +00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800 +um pouco concorrente do Mandriva? + +121 +00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,000 +Bastante + +122 +00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700 +Como é que você faz para tentar promover esta nova marca, + +123 +00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000 +porque tudo isso custa dinheiro? + +124 +00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000 +Finalmente está começando, muito pequeno, + +125 +00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 +desde que a decisão foi tomada há muito pouco tempo, + +126 +00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200 +lançamos um apelo por doações + +127 +00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000 +que atualmente nos atende muito bem, temos soluções + +128 +00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 + que nos permitem hospedar nossa infra-estrutura inteira, + +129 +00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000 + e vamos tentar mantê-la com as empresas aderirem a Associação. + +130 +00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000 +E, finalmente, existem muitos usuários que entendem + +131 +00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500 +que o software livre não é necessariamente gratuito e + +132 +00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000 +que pode apoiar a distribuição ajudando com um pouco de dinheiro + +133 +00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 + a cada mês por exemplo, + +134 +00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 +pois sabe que esse dinheiro será usado de forma transparente + +135 +00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 + e para manutenção. + +136 +00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500 +Temos muitos retornos nessa frente. + +137 +00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000 +E você acha que vai gerar dinheiro suficiente, eventualmente, + +138 +00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 +para pagar as pessoas que trabalham permanentemente + +139 +00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 +na distribuição? + +140 +00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000 +No futuro imediato, não dentro da Associação, + +141 +00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 +mas ao contrario, em uma estrutura comercial, + +142 +00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 +que ofereça serviços que podem ser mais tradicionais, + +143 +00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 +onde nós podemos realmente gerar renda + +144 +00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 + e que os rendimentos eventualmente poderão ser + +145 +00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 +usadas para financiar desenvolvimentos + +146 +00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 +adicionais da distribuição. + +147 +00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000 +Muito boa transição, você já pensou que é necessário + +148 +00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 +melhorar dentro Mageia ? + +149 +00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 +Porque, ao mesmo tempo, o Mandriva estava com + +150 +00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 +problemas há algum tempo e, portanto, + +151 +00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 +pode estar faltando um pouco de desenvolvimento, + +152 +00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 +quais as coisas novas que voces querem fazer? + +153 +00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 +Sim, há uma abundância das coisas que queremos fazer, muitas coisas. + +154 +00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 +Entre outras, há um ponto forte que é o + +155 +00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000 + Centro de Controle de configuração do linux + +156 +00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 +e agora está evoluindo, + +157 +00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 +rejuvenescendo porque é verdade que está um pouco velha e + +158 +00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000 +por que não avançar para as arquiteturas + +159 +00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 +que são cada vez mais utilizados, "tablets", por exemplo, + +160 +00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 + pode também mudar para a + +161 +00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 + inclusão de serviços como "nuvens", etc. + +162 +00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 +Então, todas essa são diretrizes irão + +163 +00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500 +ser definidas nas próximas semanas. + +164 +00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500 +Você tem uma associações em funcionamento, real, participativa? + +165 +00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000 +Muito, Muito. + +166 +00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 +Vocês vão se reúnem regularmente? + +167 +00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500 +Por enquanto, o encontro é um pouco especial, pois será virtual, + +168 +00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400 +porque a comunidade Mandriva é internacional, Mageia (perdão) + +169 +00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500 +ou seja, muitos estão na Europa, América do Sul, então, + +170 +00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000 + neste caso o não podemos fazer reuniões real. + +171 +00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000 +A verdade é que estas são as pessoas estão acostumados + +172 +00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 +a trabalhando dessa forma, à distância, + +173 +00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000 +então sim, haverá reuniões, com cada grupo de interesse, + +174 +00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 +teremos uma Diretoria para administrar a associação + +175 +00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500 + e tomar as decisões estratégicas, + +176 +00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000 +especialmente muita comunicação, talvez o que nós perdemos. + +177 +00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000 +Ok, esperamos ter dado a nossa pequena contribuição, + +178 +00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,500 +Boa sorte no projeto. + +179 +00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,000 +Obrigado + +180 +00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,200 +Vamos continuar em outro lugar, quem quiser saber mais o site é... + +181 +00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000 +mageia.org + +182 +00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 +m-a-g-e-i-a + +183 +00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 +Anne Nicolas, Muito obrigado + +184 +00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 +Obrigada + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..77c3e8779 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> +<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css"> +p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } +</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, à s 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> [...]</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; 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margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into Portuguese, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; 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+ +11 +00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400 +A Mageia e um fork do Mandriva? + +12 +00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400 +Exatamente + +13 +00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000 +Isso lembra Mandriva. + +14 +00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200 + Eu tinha lembro que há um tempo + +15 +00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000 +a Mandriva estava com muitas dificuldades financeiras + +16 +00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 +e ninguém sabia no que ia dar. + +17 +00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500 +Conte-nos um pouco o que aconteceu + +18 +00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000 + e o porque vocês desejaram + +19 +00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500 +criar este fork Mageia. + +20 +00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 +(AN) Este fork Mageia resulta + +21 +00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 +de um conjunto de incertezas que haviam na Mandriva. + +22 +00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100 +Eu era contratada por uma subsidiária da Mandriva. + +23 +00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 +Considerou-se que houve 12 anos + +24 +00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 +de trabalho extraordinário realizado nesta distribuição + +25 +00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 + e a necessidade de preservar este esforço + +26 +00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 +e para preservar este esforço nós buscamos + +27 +00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000 +excluir, finalmente, a presença de uma empresa + +28 +00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 +que tinha alto e baixos econômicos + +29 +00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 +e decidimos criar um fork, ou seja, + +30 +00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 +recomeçar a distribuição Mandriva Linux + +31 +00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 +a partir de uma cópia, simplesmente + +32 +00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 +porque a licença permite + +33 +00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500 +e montar um novo projeto a partir dali, somente com a comunidade + +34 +00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 +dentro de uma associação + +35 +00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 +e o projeto se chama atualmente Mageia. + +36 +00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500 +Então isso é muito elegante, porque afinal, o que vocês fizeram, + +37 +00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,200 + as pessoas da comunidade MySQL também fizeram + +38 +00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000 +no momento da aquisição pela Oracle. + +39 +00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 +Eles aceitaram a aquisição da MySQL pela Sun, + +40 +00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500 +mas eles não aceitaram a aquisição pela Oracle. + +41 +00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000 +Soubemos ontem que a comunidade OpenOffice + +42 +00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 + fez a mesma coisa também + +43 +00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,500 +porque eles não concordam com a direção da Oracle. + +44 +00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,000 + Então, finalmente, para aqueles que não sabem + +45 +00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 + de onde vem de todos esses termos, um fork + +46 +00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500 +é aquele você pode retomar o código fonte original + +47 +00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800 +e criar a partir dali, exatamente a mesma coisa, uma cópia fiel? + +48 +00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 +Exatamente, não reinventar a roda. + +49 +00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:10,100 +Como eu já mencionei anteriormente, + +50 +00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,000 +nós acreditamos em muitas tecnologias integradas + +51 +00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,500 +na distribuição Mandriva Linux, + +52 +00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,700 +nós pensamos que é realmente um ponto forte, + +53 +00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,000 + mas que irão trabalhar de forma diferente + +54 +00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 + no desenvolvimento da futura distribuição. + +55 +00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,700 +Mageia vai ser, então, uma associação sem fins lucrativos? + +56 +00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 +Exatamente + +57 +00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 +ConstruÃda em torno da comunidade, + +58 +00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,400 + os desenvolvedores de fato, + +59 +00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500 + É essa a comunidade de desenvolvedores + +60 +00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500 +que são os membros da associação? + +61 +00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000 +Então, os membros da associação irá incluir + +62 +00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 +o todo a gama de pessoas afetadas finalmente, + +63 +00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 +direta ou indiretamente pela distribuição. + +64 +00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 +Serão desenvolvedores, pessoas que são + +65 +00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 +empacotadores de software, testadores e tradutores, + +66 +00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 +mas também os usuários, porque hoje a força + +67 +00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 +de uma distribuição é a capacidade dos usuários + +68 +00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 + de sua comunidade para promover a distribuição + +69 +00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 +de modo que eles têm um papel muito preponderante e essencial + +70 +00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 +para a associação. + +71 +00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 + Por isso, repito a pergunta: + +72 +00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 +porque uma associação? + +73 +00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 +Você acha que hoje é a melhor maneira + +74 +00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500 +de trabalhar juntos em um projeto como este? + +75 +00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000 +Percebe-se que os valores de liberdade hoje + +76 +00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000 +pode ser um pouco exigente + +77 +00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 +quanto à necessidade de compartilhar a + +78 +00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,000 +sustentabilidade do software, etc. + +79 +00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000 + e dada a história e os desafios da Mandriva no tempo, + +80 +00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 + foi considerado que um projeto comunitário + +81 +00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 + era mais adequado e + +82 +00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 + a associação é apenas para regulamentar + +83 +00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000 + a utilização dos recursos da organização. Então sim, há um + +84 +00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000 +projeto de comunidade, mas organizada de forma duradoura. + +85 +00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000 +Ao mesmo tempo hoje nós precisamos viver, + +86 +00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 +você era contratada por uma empresa + +87 +00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 +que trabalhava para Mandriva, + +88 +00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 + você pode desejar encontrar um emprego e salários atrasados + +89 +00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 +AN - sim, seria bom + +90 +00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 +Isso deve ser tudo de bom, mas + +91 +00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500 +como é o que se gera a renda numa estrutura associativa? + +92 +00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500 +Então, a associação é uma coisa, + +93 +00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100 +ela desenvolve um produto chamado Mageia, + +94 +00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 +que é uma distribuição. + +95 +00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 + É perfeitamente possÃvel considerar uma + +96 +00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 +estrutura comercial que irá atuar na periferia da associação e + +97 +00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 + será baseada na distribuição chamada Mageia e + +98 +00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 +vai oferecer uma série de serviços como suporte, + +99 +00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 +consultoria, desenvolvimento, + +100 +00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000 + a fim de ajudar a comunidade empresarial a usar este produto, + +101 +00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000 + que tem uma força tremenda, + +102 +00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200 +e integrá-lo ao seu conjunto de solução disponÃveis. + +103 +00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200 +Agora você se depara com uma série de necessidades, + +104 +00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000 +a primeira necessidade que nós iremos tentar responder a todos + +105 +00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 +é fazer um pouco de barulho em torno Mageia, + +106 +00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200 + porque ninguém conhece. + +107 +00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000 +Ninguém conhece fora do pequeno mundo do software livre. + +108 +00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000 +Mas eu admito que fomos muito agradavelmente surpreendido + +109 +00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 + com o retorno, pois não só a comunidade Mandriva + +110 +00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 + reagiu aos anúncios e aderiu, + +111 +00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000 +mas também as pessoas que usaram o Mandrake + +112 +00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 + voltaram, porque acreditam que atende + +113 +00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 +um pouco mais a sua expectativa e sua visão + +114 +00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 +do que é uma distribuição de código aberto. + +115 +00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 +Deve haver cuidado com o que é chamado de + +116 +00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 + sÃndrome do umbigo, do fato das pessoas que te conhecerem + +117 +00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 +e o desafio de lidar com que aqueles que não sabem + +118 +00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 +que você tem a preferência pela Mageia, + +119 +00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000 +por isso se deve dizer as coisas bem claras por você se tornar + +120 +00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800 +um pouco concorrente do Mandriva? + +121 +00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,000 +Bastante + +122 +00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700 +Como é que você faz para tentar promover esta nova marca, + +123 +00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000 +porque tudo isso custa dinheiro? + +124 +00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000 +Finalmente está começando, muito pequeno, + +125 +00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 +desde que a decisão foi tomada há muito pouco tempo, + +126 +00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200 +lançamos um apelo por doações + +127 +00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000 +que atualmente nos atende muito bem, temos soluções + +128 +00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 + que nos permitem hospedar nossa infra-estrutura inteira, + +129 +00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000 + e vamos tentar mantê-la com as empresas aderirem a Associação. + +130 +00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000 +E, finalmente, existem muitos usuários que entendem + +131 +00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500 +que o software livre não é necessariamente gratuito e + +132 +00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000 +que pode apoiar a distribuição ajudando com um pouco de dinheiro + +133 +00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 + a cada mês por exemplo, + +134 +00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 +pois sabe que esse dinheiro será usado de forma transparente + +135 +00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 + e para manutenção. + +136 +00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500 +Temos muitos retornos nessa frente. + +137 +00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000 +E você acha que vai gerar dinheiro suficiente, eventualmente, + +138 +00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 +para pagar as pessoas que trabalham permanentemente + +139 +00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 +na distribuição? + +140 +00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000 +No futuro imediato, não dentro da Associação, + +141 +00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 +mas ao contrario, em uma estrutura comercial, + +142 +00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 +que ofereça serviços que podem ser mais tradicionais, + +143 +00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 +onde nós podemos realmente gerar renda + +144 +00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 + e que os rendimentos eventualmente poderão ser + +145 +00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 +usadas para financiar desenvolvimentos + +146 +00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 +adicionais da distribuição. + +147 +00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000 +Muito boa transição, você já pensou que é necessário + +148 +00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 +melhorar dentro Mageia ? + +149 +00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 +Porque, ao mesmo tempo, o Mandriva estava com + +150 +00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 +problemas há algum tempo e, portanto, + +151 +00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 +pode estar faltando um pouco de desenvolvimento, + +152 +00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 +quais as coisas novas que voces querem fazer? + +153 +00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 +Sim, há uma abundância das coisas que queremos fazer, muitas coisas. + +154 +00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 +Entre outras, há um ponto forte que é o + +155 +00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000 + Centro de Controle de configuração do linux + +156 +00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 +e agora está evoluindo, + +157 +00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 +rejuvenescendo porque é verdade que está um pouco velha e + +158 +00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000 +por que não avançar para as arquiteturas + +159 +00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 +que são cada vez mais utilizados, "tablets", por exemplo, + +160 +00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 + pode também mudar para a + +161 +00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 + inclusão de serviços como "nuvens", etc. + +162 +00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 +Então, todas essa são diretrizes irão + +163 +00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500 +ser definidas nas próximas semanas. + +164 +00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500 +Você tem uma associações em funcionamento, real, participativa? + +165 +00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000 +Muito, Muito. + +166 +00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 +Vocês vão se reúnem regularmente? + +167 +00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500 +Por enquanto, o encontro é um pouco especial, pois será virtual, + +168 +00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400 +porque a comunidade Mandriva é internacional, Mageia (perdão) + +169 +00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500 +ou seja, muitos estão na Europa, América do Sul, então, + +170 +00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000 + neste caso o não podemos fazer reuniões real. + +171 +00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000 +A verdade é que estas são as pessoas estão acostumados + +172 +00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 +a trabalhando dessa forma, à distância, + +173 +00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000 +então sim, haverá reuniões, com cada grupo de interesse, + +174 +00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 +teremos uma Diretoria para administrar a associação + +175 +00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500 + e tomar as decisões estratégicas, + +176 +00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000 +especialmente muita comunicação, talvez o que nós perdemos. + +177 +00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000 +Ok, esperamos ter dado a nossa pequena contribuição, + +178 +00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,500 +Boa sorte no projeto. + +179 +00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,000 +Obrigado + +180 +00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,200 +Vamos continuar em outro lugar, quem quiser saber mais o site é... + +181 +00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000 +mageia.org + +182 +00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 +m-a-g-e-i-a + +183 +00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 +Anne Nicolas, Muito obrigado + +184 +00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 +Obrigada + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..77c3e8779 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> +<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css"> +p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } +</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, à s 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> [...]</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> google translate to english:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> new guest Anne Nicolas,</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into Portuguese, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; 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