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+Paris, oct - 2010
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+Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of Open World Forum
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+We will now turn to another topic with our
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+new guest Anne Nicolas, Hello
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+(Anne Nicolas) Hello
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+So you work for a community called Mageia
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+Absolutely
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+But then there are our listeners are saying
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+ "but never heard Mageia speaking,
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+what is it that the promotion of this new thing"
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+is a Mageia fork of Mandriva?
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+Quite
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+It remembers Mandriva,
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+Mandriva I had left in my head a time when
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+ there were many financial difficulties,
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+ it was not well what it was going to give.
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+ Tell us a little bit what happened
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+and what made you want
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+to create this Mageia fork.
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+This fork Mageia came
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+a whole lot of uncertainties that reside in Mandriva,
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+I was myself employed by a subsidiary of Mandriva.
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+It was felt there had been 12 years
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+of tremendous work performed on this distribution
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+and need to sustain this effort
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+ and we wanted
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+to abstract from the presence a company
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+that had high and low economic level
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+and we decided to fork, ie
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+resume distribution Mandriva Linux
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+one point from a copy simply
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+because the license allows
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+and assembling a new project from there and only Community
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+within an association
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+and the project is called Mageia.
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+So it's very fashionable because ultimately what you have done,
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+people from the MySQL community did
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+at the time of acquisition by Oracle,
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+ they accepted the takeover by Sun,
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+they have not accepted the takeover by Oracle.
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+We learned yesterday that the OpenOffice community
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+was doing the same thing too
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+because they do not agree with the direction of Oracle.
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+So finally for those who do not know
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+where all these terms, a Forking
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+is that you can resume the original source code
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+and create for the moment exactly the same thing, a true copy?
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+Altogether, it does not reinvent the wheel,
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+ since I mentioned earlier,
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+ we believe many technology integrated
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+with Mandriva Linux,
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+ we think it's really a strong point,
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+but it would work differently
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+in the development of future distribution
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+Mageia So it'll be a 1901 association therefore non-profit?
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+Quite
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+built around the community,
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+developers in fact,
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+ it is community developers
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+who are members of the association?
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+Then the members of the association will overlap
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+ with the full scope of that affect people
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+ directly or indirectly to a distribution.
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+It will be developers, people who are
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+packaging software, testers translators,
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+but also because today what users. The strength
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+ of a distribution is the ability of its community
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+users to promote the distribution
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+so they have a part quite predominant and essential
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+in the association.
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+So it begs the question
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+ why an association?
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+ You think today is the best way
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+to work together on a project like this?
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+Found that the values of freedom today
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+are that it can be a little demanding
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+on the necessity of sharing
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+the sustainability of the software, etc..
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+and given the history and challenges of the time,
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+Mandriva has been estimated that a community project
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+was more appropriate and
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+the association is only there to regulate
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+the use of resources organization, so yes there is a
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+community project but organized in a lasting way.
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+ At the same time we must live,
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+ you were employed by a company
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+that working on Mandriva,
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+you may have wanted to find a job and back wages
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+Yes, it would be nice.
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+It must be that all that great,
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+how is what generates the income fully associative structure?
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+ Then the association is one thing,
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+it produces a product that Mageia
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+which is called a distribution.
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+We can consider a perfectly
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+ commercial structure that will act in the periphery of the association and
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+will based on the distribution called Mageia and
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+will offer a whole lots of service as support,
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+ consulting, development,
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+thereby help the company take this product
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+has tremendous community strength
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+and integrate it into its array of solutions it may have.
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+So now you're faced with a number of needs,
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+urgent first need we will try to answer them all
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+is to make a bit of noise around Mageia
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+because nobody knows.
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+Nobody knows the outdoors in the little world of open source.
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+I admit that we were very pleasantly surprised
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+by the return because not Mandriva only the present community
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+has reacted to the announcement and acceded
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+but also because people using Mandrake at the time
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+ and returning because he believes
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+it is a little more to their expectation that they and their vision
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+of an open source distribution.
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+ Be careful what is called the
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+navel syndrome, which that people who know you and
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+you know how difficult it is to ensure that those who do not know
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+you have the reflex to go see Mageia
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+rather because he must say things very clear shot of you
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+become a little competition from Mandriva?
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+Quite
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+ How is what you do to try to promote this new brand,
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+because it costs money as all that?
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+Is finally starting very small
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+since the initiative was made very short time,
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+ we launched an appeal for donations
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+which currently meets extremely well, we had solutions
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+to enable us to host our entire infrastructure, a
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+nd we will try to sustain it in companies adhering to the association,
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+ and finally it becomes account that there are many users who understand
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+that the Free software is not necessarily free and
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+that I can to support the distribution rather than put a little money
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+every month by example
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+since I know that this money will be used so transparent
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+and maintaining a number of value.
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+We have many returns on that front.
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+ And do you think that you will generate enough money eventually
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+pay people who will permanently work
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+distribution?
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+Immediate not within the Association,
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+cons in a business structure
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+that offer services can be more traditional
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+here we can actually generate income
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+and that income may possibly be
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+ used to fund developments
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+additional distribution
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+Very good transition, is what you have already thought about it
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+should evolve within Mageia that it continues to meet required?
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+At the same time Mandriva
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+was in trouble for some time that therefore
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+ may be missing a bit of development,
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+is what you want do new things?
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+So yes, there are plenty of things we want to do, lots of things.
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+Among others, there is a huge strength is the
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+control center, the Linux Control Center
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+and now it's to change,
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+the rejuvenate because it's true that it is a little older and then
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+why not move towards architectures
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+that are increasingly used as shelves for example,
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+and can also switch to
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+openness to services like cloud, etc..
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+ so all that they are guidelines
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+ that will define in the coming weeks.
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+You have a real functioning associations, participatory?
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+Quite
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+You will meet regularly?
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+While meeting a little bit special as they will because the virtual
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+community Mageia is international,
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+ie, it's a lot in Europe, South America, so
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+in these cases we do can not do real meetings,
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+the fact remains that these are people who are accustomed
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+to working in that way, remote,
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+so yes it will meetings, as each interest group,
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+we will have a board to manage the association
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+to make a strategic decision,
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+especially so many communication, perhaps what we missed.
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+Okay, we hope to have made our small contribution,
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+good luck in this project.
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+Thank you
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+We will continue elsewhere if we want to know more the website is
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+mageia.org
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+m-a-g-e-i-a
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+Anne Nicolas, thank you very much.
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+ Thanks
+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [...]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into <span style=" font-weight:600;">ENGLISH</span>, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I used the software &quot;Subtitle Editor 0.36.2&quot; (http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/) in Mandriva 2010.1. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">W</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ith this file and this software, can be done easily translated into other languages.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">There is a wiki (http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation) with documentation about how to do a translation with &quot;</span>Subtitle Editor&quot;<span style=" color:#000000;">. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using the &quot;Subtitle Editor&quot;, y<span style=" color:#000000;">ou open this file with subtitles in english and select the toolbar &quot;view&quot; and &quot;translate&quot;. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
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+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
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+Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of Open World Forum
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+We will now turn to another topic with our
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+new guest Anne Nicolas, Hello
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+(Anne Nicolas) Hello
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+So you work for a community called Mageia
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+Absolutely
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+But then there are our listeners are saying
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+what is it that the promotion of this new thing"
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+is a Mageia fork of Mandriva?
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+Quite
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+It remembers Mandriva,
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+Mandriva I had left in my head a time when
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+ there were many financial difficulties,
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+ it was not well what it was going to give.
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+ Tell us a little bit what happened
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+and what made you want
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+to create this Mageia fork.
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+This fork Mageia came
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+a whole lot of uncertainties that reside in Mandriva,
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+I was myself employed by a subsidiary of Mandriva.
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+It was felt there had been 12 years
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+of tremendous work performed on this distribution
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+and need to sustain this effort
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+ and we wanted
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+to abstract from the presence a company
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+that had high and low economic level
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+and we decided to fork, ie
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+resume distribution Mandriva Linux
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+one point from a copy simply
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+because the license allows
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+and assembling a new project from there and only Community
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+within an association
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+and the project is called Mageia.
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+So it's very fashionable because ultimately what you have done,
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+people from the MySQL community did
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+ they accepted the takeover by Sun,
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+they have not accepted the takeover by Oracle.
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+We learned yesterday that the OpenOffice community
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+was doing the same thing too
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+because they do not agree with the direction of Oracle.
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+So finally for those who do not know
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+where all these terms, a Forking
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+is that you can resume the original source code
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+and create for the moment exactly the same thing, a true copy?
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+Altogether, it does not reinvent the wheel,
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+ since I mentioned earlier,
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+ we believe many technology integrated
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+ we think it's really a strong point,
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+but it would work differently
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+in the development of future distribution
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+Mageia So it'll be a 1901 association therefore non-profit?
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+Quite
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+built around the community,
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+developers in fact,
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+ it is community developers
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+who are members of the association?
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+Then the members of the association will overlap
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+ with the full scope of that affect people
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+It will be developers, people who are
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+packaging software, testers translators,
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+but also because today what users. The strength
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+so they have a part quite predominant and essential
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+ You think today is the best way
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+to work together on a project like this?
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+Found that the values of freedom today
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+are that it can be a little demanding
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+on the necessity of sharing
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+and given the history and challenges of the time,
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+Mandriva has been estimated that a community project
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+the association is only there to regulate
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+the use of resources organization, so yes there is a
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+community project but organized in a lasting way.
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+ At the same time we must live,
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+ you were employed by a company
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+that working on Mandriva,
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+you may have wanted to find a job and back wages
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+Yes, it would be nice.
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+It must be that all that great,
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+how is what generates the income fully associative structure?
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+ Then the association is one thing,
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+it produces a product that Mageia
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+We can consider a perfectly
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+will based on the distribution called Mageia and
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+thereby help the company take this product
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+So now you're faced with a number of needs,
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+urgent first need we will try to answer them all
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+is to make a bit of noise around Mageia
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+because nobody knows.
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+Nobody knows the outdoors in the little world of open source.
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+I admit that we were very pleasantly surprised
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+has reacted to the announcement and acceded
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+but also because people using Mandrake at the time
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+it is a little more to their expectation that they and their vision
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+ Be careful what is called the
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+navel syndrome, which that people who know you and
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+you know how difficult it is to ensure that those who do not know
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+you have the reflex to go see Mageia
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+rather because he must say things very clear shot of you
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+become a little competition from Mandriva?
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+Quite
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+ How is what you do to try to promote this new brand,
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+because it costs money as all that?
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+Is finally starting very small
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+since the initiative was made very short time,
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+ we launched an appeal for donations
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+which currently meets extremely well, we had solutions
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+to enable us to host our entire infrastructure, a
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+nd we will try to sustain it in companies adhering to the association,
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+ and finally it becomes account that there are many users who understand
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+that the Free software is not necessarily free and
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+that I can to support the distribution rather than put a little money
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+every month by example
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+and maintaining a number of value.
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+We have many returns on that front.
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+ And do you think that you will generate enough money eventually
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+pay people who will permanently work
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+Immediate not within the Association,
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+and that income may possibly be
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+ used to fund developments
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+additional distribution
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+Very good transition, is what you have already thought about it
+
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+should evolve within Mageia that it continues to meet required?
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+At the same time Mandriva
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+was in trouble for some time that therefore
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+ may be missing a bit of development,
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+is what you want do new things?
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+So yes, there are plenty of things we want to do, lots of things.
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+Among others, there is a huge strength is the
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+control center, the Linux Control Center
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+and now it's to change,
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+the rejuvenate because it's true that it is a little older and then
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+why not move towards architectures
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+that are increasingly used as shelves for example,
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+and can also switch to
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+openness to services like cloud, etc..
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+ so all that they are guidelines
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+ that will define in the coming weeks.
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+You have a real functioning associations, participatory?
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+Quite
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+You will meet regularly?
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+While meeting a little bit special as they will because the virtual
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+community Mageia is international,
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+ie, it's a lot in Europe, South America, so
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+in these cases we do can not do real meetings,
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+the fact remains that these are people who are accustomed
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+to working in that way, remote,
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+so yes it will meetings, as each interest group,
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+we will have a board to manage the association
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+to make a strategic decision,
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+especially so many communication, perhaps what we missed.
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+Okay, we hope to have made our small contribution,
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+good luck in this project.
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+Thank you
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+We will continue elsewhere if we want to know more the website is
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+mageia.org
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+m-a-g-e-i-a
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+Anne Nicolas, thank you very much.
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+ Thanks
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [...]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into <span style=" font-weight:600;">ENGLISH</span>, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I used the software &quot;Subtitle Editor 0.36.2&quot; (http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/) in Mandriva 2010.1. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">W</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ith this file and this software, can be done easily translated into other languages.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">There is a wiki (http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation) with documentation about how to do a translation with &quot;</span>Subtitle Editor&quot;<span style=" color:#000000;">. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using the &quot;Subtitle Editor&quot;, y<span style=" color:#000000;">ou open this file with subtitles in english and select the toolbar &quot;view&quot; and &quot;translate&quot;. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">But I call attention to the need to save the translation in a separate file. This is done in the (toolbar) &quot;File&quot; &quot;save&quot; and &quot;save translation&quot;. give a &quot;new name&quot; and &quot;ok&quot;.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
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+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html> \ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we&#39;ll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br>
+
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote><div> </div></div>From what I&#39;ve seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. <br>You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? <br>
+<br>Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we&#39;ll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br>
+
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote><div> </div></div>From what I&#39;ve seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. <br>You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? <br>
+<br>Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 21:53, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I don&#39;t know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don&#39;t see what a plugin doing both is :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Perhaps I got it wrong, I thought the query to the sql database went trough an xml-rpc request.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be<br>
+&gt; reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Reasonable I don&#39;t know, but why not. <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com" target="_blank">doc4.mandriva.com</a> seems to link to debian&#39;s bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla&#39;s may be outside mageia-app-db&#39;s scope, however nothing prevents from studying its feasability.<br clear="all">
+<br></blockquote><div>Ok, for later.<br>I did&#39;nt know <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com/" target="_blank">doc4</a>. I suppose it was too heavy to be considered ?<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+I don&#39;t know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don&#39;t see what a plugin doing both is :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Perhaps I got it wrong, I thought the query to the sql database went trough an xml-rpc request.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be<br>
+&gt; reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Reasonable I don&#39;t know, but why not. <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com" target="_blank">doc4.mandriva.com</a> seems to link to debian&#39;s bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla&#39;s may be outside mageia-app-db&#39;s scope, however nothing prevents from studying its feasability.<br clear="all">
+<br></blockquote><div>Ok, for later.<br>I did&#39;nt know <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com/" target="_blank">doc4</a>. I suppose it was too heavy to be considered ?<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:21, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; page giving a synthetic view :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br>
+&gt; columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br>
+&gt;         with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br>
+&gt;         and simple visual representation of stats : usage, &quot;satisfaction&quot;,<br>
+&gt;         &quot;open bugs&quot;  ... (with link to details)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try to design this page&#39;s layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ?<br>
+
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Will do.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:21, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; page giving a synthetic view :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br>
+&gt; columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br>
+&gt;         with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br>
+&gt;         and simple visual representation of stats : usage, &quot;satisfaction&quot;,<br>
+&gt;         &quot;open bugs&quot;  ... (with link to details)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try to design this page&#39;s layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ?<br>
+
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Will do.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Paris, outubro de 2010
+
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+Ola a todos, bem-vindo a TV do Open World Forum
+
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+ vamos agora a outro topico com a
+
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+nossa nova convidada, Anne Nicolas, Olá
+
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+(Anne Nicolas) Olá
+
+6
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+Entao voce trabalha para uma comunidade chamada Mageia?
+
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+(AN) - Sim
+
+8
+00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400
+Mas os nossos ouvintes estão dizendo
+
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+ que nunca ouviram falar em Mageia,
+
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+00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000
+o que é a promoção dessa novidade?
+
+11
+00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400
+A Mageia e um fork do Mandriva?
+
+12
+00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400
+Exatamente
+
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+00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000
+Isso lembra Mandriva.
+
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+00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200
+ Eu tinha lembro que há um tempo
+
+15
+00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000
+a Mandriva estava com muitas dificuldades financeiras
+
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+00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000
+e ninguém sabia no que ia dar.
+
+17
+00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500
+Conte-nos um pouco o que aconteceu
+
+18
+00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000
+ e o porque vocês desejaram
+
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+00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500
+criar este fork Mageia.
+
+20
+00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000
+(AN) Este fork Mageia resulta
+
+21
+00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000
+de um conjunto de incertezas que haviam na Mandriva.
+
+22
+00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100
+Eu era contratada por uma subsidiária da Mandriva.
+
+23
+00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000
+Considerou-se que houve 12 anos
+
+24
+00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000
+de trabalho extraordinário realizado nesta distribuição
+
+25
+00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000
+ e a necessidade de preservar este esforço
+
+26
+00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000
+e para preservar este esforço nós buscamos
+
+27
+00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000
+excluir, finalmente, a presença de uma empresa
+
+28
+00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000
+que tinha alto e baixos econômicos
+
+29
+00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000
+e decidimos criar um fork, ou seja,
+
+30
+00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000
+recomeçar a distribuição Mandriva Linux
+
+31
+00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000
+a partir de uma cópia, simplesmente
+
+32
+00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000
+porque a licença permite
+
+33
+00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500
+e montar um novo projeto a partir dali, somente com a comunidade
+
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+00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000
+dentro de uma associação
+
+35
+00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000
+e o projeto se chama atualmente Mageia.
+
+36
+00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500
+Então isso é muito elegante, porque afinal, o que vocês fizeram,
+
+37
+00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,200
+ as pessoas da comunidade MySQL também fizeram
+
+38
+00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000
+no momento da aquisição pela Oracle.
+
+39
+00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000
+Eles aceitaram a aquisição da MySQL pela Sun,
+
+40
+00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500
+mas eles não aceitaram a aquisição pela Oracle.
+
+41
+00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000
+Soubemos ontem que a comunidade OpenOffice
+
+42
+00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000
+ fez a mesma coisa também
+
+43
+00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,500
+porque eles não concordam com a direção da Oracle.
+
+44
+00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,000
+ Então, finalmente, para aqueles que não sabem
+
+45
+00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000
+ de onde vem de todos esses termos, um fork
+
+46
+00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500
+é aquele você pode retomar o código fonte original
+
+47
+00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800
+e criar a partir dali, exatamente a mesma coisa, uma cópia fiel?
+
+48
+00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000
+Exatamente, não reinventar a roda.
+
+49
+00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:10,100
+Como eu já mencionei anteriormente,
+
+50
+00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,000
+nós acreditamos em muitas tecnologias integradas
+
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+00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,500
+na distribuição Mandriva Linux,
+
+52
+00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,700
+nós pensamos que é realmente um ponto forte,
+
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+ mas que irão trabalhar de forma diferente
+
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+00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000
+ no desenvolvimento da futura distribuição.
+
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+00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,700
+Mageia vai ser, então, uma associação sem fins lucrativos?
+
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+00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000
+Exatamente
+
+57
+00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000
+Construída em torno da comunidade,
+
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+00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,400
+ os desenvolvedores de fato,
+
+59
+00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500
+ É essa a comunidade de desenvolvedores
+
+60
+00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500
+que são os membros da associação?
+
+61
+00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000
+Então, os membros da associação irá incluir
+
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+00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000
+o todo a gama de pessoas afetadas finalmente,
+
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+00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000
+direta ou indiretamente pela distribuição.
+
+64
+00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000
+Serão desenvolvedores, pessoas que são
+
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+00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000
+empacotadores de software, testadores e tradutores,
+
+66
+00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000
+mas também os usuários, porque hoje a força
+
+67
+00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000
+de uma distribuição é a capacidade dos usuários
+
+68
+00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000
+ de sua comunidade para promover a distribuição
+
+69
+00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000
+de modo que eles têm um papel muito preponderante e essencial
+
+70
+00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000
+para a associação.
+
+71
+00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000
+ Por isso, repito a pergunta:
+
+72
+00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000
+porque uma associação?
+
+73
+00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000
+Você acha que hoje é a melhor maneira
+
+74
+00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500
+de trabalhar juntos em um projeto como este?
+
+75
+00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000
+Percebe-se que os valores de liberdade hoje
+
+76
+00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000
+pode ser um pouco exigente
+
+77
+00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000
+quanto à necessidade de compartilhar a
+
+78
+00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,000
+sustentabilidade do software, etc.
+
+79
+00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000
+ e dada a história e os desafios da Mandriva no tempo,
+
+80
+00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000
+ foi considerado que um projeto comunitário
+
+81
+00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000
+ era mais adequado e
+
+82
+00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000
+ a associação é apenas para regulamentar
+
+83
+00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000
+ a utilização dos recursos da organização. Então sim, há um
+
+84
+00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000
+projeto de comunidade, mas organizada de forma duradoura.
+
+85
+00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000
+Ao mesmo tempo hoje nós precisamos viver,
+
+86
+00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000
+você era contratada por uma empresa
+
+87
+00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000
+que trabalhava para Mandriva,
+
+88
+00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000
+ você pode desejar encontrar um emprego e salários atrasados
+
+89
+00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000
+AN - sim, seria bom
+
+90
+00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000
+Isso deve ser tudo de bom, mas
+
+91
+00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500
+como é o que se gera a renda numa estrutura associativa?
+
+92
+00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500
+Então, a associação é uma coisa,
+
+93
+00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100
+ela desenvolve um produto chamado Mageia,
+
+94
+00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000
+que é uma distribuição.
+
+95
+00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000
+ É perfeitamente possível considerar uma
+
+96
+00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000
+estrutura comercial que irá atuar na periferia da associação e
+
+97
+00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000
+ será baseada na distribuição chamada Mageia e
+
+98
+00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000
+vai oferecer uma série de serviços como suporte,
+
+99
+00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000
+consultoria, desenvolvimento,
+
+100
+00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000
+ a fim de ajudar a comunidade empresarial a usar este produto,
+
+101
+00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000
+ que tem uma força tremenda,
+
+102
+00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200
+e integrá-lo ao seu conjunto de solução disponíveis.
+
+103
+00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200
+Agora você se depara com uma série de necessidades,
+
+104
+00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000
+a primeira necessidade que nós iremos tentar responder a todos
+
+105
+00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000
+é fazer um pouco de barulho em torno Mageia,
+
+106
+00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200
+ porque ninguém conhece.
+
+107
+00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000
+Ninguém conhece fora do pequeno mundo do software livre.
+
+108
+00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000
+Mas eu admito que fomos muito agradavelmente surpreendido
+
+109
+00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000
+ com o retorno, pois não só a comunidade Mandriva
+
+110
+00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000
+ reagiu aos anúncios e aderiu,
+
+111
+00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000
+mas também as pessoas que usaram o Mandrake
+
+112
+00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000
+ voltaram, porque acreditam que atende
+
+113
+00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000
+um pouco mais a sua expectativa e sua visão
+
+114
+00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000
+do que é uma distribuição de código aberto.
+
+115
+00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000
+Deve haver cuidado com o que é chamado de
+
+116
+00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000
+ síndrome do umbigo, do fato das pessoas que te conhecerem
+
+117
+00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000
+e o desafio de lidar com que aqueles que não sabem
+
+118
+00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000
+que você tem a preferência pela Mageia,
+
+119
+00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000
+por isso se deve dizer as coisas bem claras por você se tornar
+
+120
+00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800
+um pouco concorrente do Mandriva?
+
+121
+00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,000
+Bastante
+
+122
+00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700
+Como é que você faz para tentar promover esta nova marca,
+
+123
+00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000
+porque tudo isso custa dinheiro?
+
+124
+00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000
+Finalmente está começando, muito pequeno,
+
+125
+00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000
+desde que a decisão foi tomada há muito pouco tempo,
+
+126
+00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200
+lançamos um apelo por doações
+
+127
+00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000
+que atualmente nos atende muito bem, temos soluções
+
+128
+00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000
+ que nos permitem hospedar nossa infra-estrutura inteira,
+
+129
+00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000
+ e vamos tentar mantê-la com as empresas aderirem a Associação.
+
+130
+00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000
+E, finalmente, existem muitos usuários que entendem
+
+131
+00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500
+que o software livre não é necessariamente gratuito e
+
+132
+00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000
+que pode apoiar a distribuição ajudando com um pouco de dinheiro
+
+133
+00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000
+ a cada mês por exemplo,
+
+134
+00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000
+pois sabe que esse dinheiro será usado de forma transparente
+
+135
+00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000
+ e para manutenção.
+
+136
+00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500
+Temos muitos retornos nessa frente.
+
+137
+00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000
+E você acha que vai gerar dinheiro suficiente, eventualmente,
+
+138
+00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000
+para pagar as pessoas que trabalham permanentemente
+
+139
+00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000
+na distribuição?
+
+140
+00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000
+No futuro imediato, não dentro da Associação,
+
+141
+00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000
+mas ao contrario, em uma estrutura comercial,
+
+142
+00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000
+que ofereça serviços que podem ser mais tradicionais,
+
+143
+00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000
+onde nós podemos realmente gerar renda
+
+144
+00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000
+ e que os rendimentos eventualmente poderão ser
+
+145
+00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000
+usadas para financiar desenvolvimentos
+
+146
+00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000
+adicionais da distribuição.
+
+147
+00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000
+Muito boa transição, você já pensou que é necessário
+
+148
+00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000
+melhorar dentro Mageia ?
+
+149
+00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000
+Porque, ao mesmo tempo, o Mandriva estava com
+
+150
+00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000
+problemas há algum tempo e, portanto,
+
+151
+00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000
+pode estar faltando um pouco de desenvolvimento,
+
+152
+00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000
+quais as coisas novas que voces querem fazer?
+
+153
+00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000
+Sim, há uma abundância das coisas que queremos fazer, muitas coisas.
+
+154
+00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000
+Entre outras, há um ponto forte que é o
+
+155
+00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000
+ Centro de Controle de configuração do linux
+
+156
+00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000
+e agora está evoluindo,
+
+157
+00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000
+rejuvenescendo porque é verdade que está um pouco velha e
+
+158
+00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000
+por que não avançar para as arquiteturas
+
+159
+00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000
+que são cada vez mais utilizados, "tablets", por exemplo,
+
+160
+00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000
+ pode também mudar para a
+
+161
+00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000
+ inclusão de serviços como "nuvens", etc.
+
+162
+00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000
+Então, todas essa são diretrizes irão
+
+163
+00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500
+ser definidas nas próximas semanas.
+
+164
+00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500
+Você tem uma associações em funcionamento, real, participativa?
+
+165
+00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000
+Muito, Muito.
+
+166
+00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000
+Vocês vão se reúnem regularmente?
+
+167
+00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500
+Por enquanto, o encontro é um pouco especial, pois será virtual,
+
+168
+00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400
+porque a comunidade Mandriva é internacional, Mageia (perdão)
+
+169
+00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500
+ou seja, muitos estão na Europa, América do Sul, então,
+
+170
+00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000
+ neste caso o não podemos fazer reuniões real.
+
+171
+00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000
+A verdade é que estas são as pessoas estão acostumados
+
+172
+00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000
+a trabalhando dessa forma, à distância,
+
+173
+00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000
+então sim, haverá reuniões, com cada grupo de interesse,
+
+174
+00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000
+teremos uma Diretoria para administrar a associação
+
+175
+00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500
+ e tomar as decisões estratégicas,
+
+176
+00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000
+especialmente muita comunicação, talvez o que nós perdemos.
+
+177
+00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000
+Ok, esperamos ter dado a nossa pequena contribuição,
+
+178
+00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,500
+Boa sorte no projeto.
+
+179
+00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,000
+Obrigado
+
+180
+00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,200
+Vamos continuar em outro lugar, quem quiser saber mais o site é...
+
+181
+00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000
+mageia.org
+
+182
+00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000
+m-a-g-e-i-a
+
+183
+00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000
+Anne Nicolas, Muito obrigado
+
+184
+00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000
+Obrigada
+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into Portuguese, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
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+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
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+Paris, outubro de 2010
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+Ola a todos, bem-vindo a TV do Open World Forum
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+ vamos agora a outro topico com a
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+nossa nova convidada, Anne Nicolas, Olá
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+(Anne Nicolas) Olá
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+Entao voce trabalha para uma comunidade chamada Mageia?
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+(AN) - Sim
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+Mas os nossos ouvintes estão dizendo
+
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+ que nunca ouviram falar em Mageia,
+
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+00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000
+o que é a promoção dessa novidade?
+
+11
+00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400
+A Mageia e um fork do Mandriva?
+
+12
+00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400
+Exatamente
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+00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000
+Isso lembra Mandriva.
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+00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200
+ Eu tinha lembro que há um tempo
+
+15
+00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000
+a Mandriva estava com muitas dificuldades financeiras
+
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+00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000
+e ninguém sabia no que ia dar.
+
+17
+00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500
+Conte-nos um pouco o que aconteceu
+
+18
+00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000
+ e o porque vocês desejaram
+
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+00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500
+criar este fork Mageia.
+
+20
+00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000
+(AN) Este fork Mageia resulta
+
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+00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000
+de um conjunto de incertezas que haviam na Mandriva.
+
+22
+00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100
+Eu era contratada por uma subsidiária da Mandriva.
+
+23
+00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000
+Considerou-se que houve 12 anos
+
+24
+00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000
+de trabalho extraordinário realizado nesta distribuição
+
+25
+00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000
+ e a necessidade de preservar este esforço
+
+26
+00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000
+e para preservar este esforço nós buscamos
+
+27
+00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000
+excluir, finalmente, a presença de uma empresa
+
+28
+00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000
+que tinha alto e baixos econômicos
+
+29
+00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000
+e decidimos criar um fork, ou seja,
+
+30
+00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000
+recomeçar a distribuição Mandriva Linux
+
+31
+00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000
+a partir de uma cópia, simplesmente
+
+32
+00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000
+porque a licença permite
+
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+00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500
+e montar um novo projeto a partir dali, somente com a comunidade
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+dentro de uma associação
+
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+e o projeto se chama atualmente Mageia.
+
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+00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500
+Então isso é muito elegante, porque afinal, o que vocês fizeram,
+
+37
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+ as pessoas da comunidade MySQL também fizeram
+
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+00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000
+no momento da aquisição pela Oracle.
+
+39
+00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000
+Eles aceitaram a aquisição da MySQL pela Sun,
+
+40
+00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500
+mas eles não aceitaram a aquisição pela Oracle.
+
+41
+00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000
+Soubemos ontem que a comunidade OpenOffice
+
+42
+00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000
+ fez a mesma coisa também
+
+43
+00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,500
+porque eles não concordam com a direção da Oracle.
+
+44
+00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,000
+ Então, finalmente, para aqueles que não sabem
+
+45
+00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000
+ de onde vem de todos esses termos, um fork
+
+46
+00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500
+é aquele você pode retomar o código fonte original
+
+47
+00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800
+e criar a partir dali, exatamente a mesma coisa, uma cópia fiel?
+
+48
+00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000
+Exatamente, não reinventar a roda.
+
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+Como eu já mencionei anteriormente,
+
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+nós acreditamos em muitas tecnologias integradas
+
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+na distribuição Mandriva Linux,
+
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+nós pensamos que é realmente um ponto forte,
+
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+ mas que irão trabalhar de forma diferente
+
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+ no desenvolvimento da futura distribuição.
+
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+Mageia vai ser, então, uma associação sem fins lucrativos?
+
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+Exatamente
+
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+Construída em torno da comunidade,
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+ os desenvolvedores de fato,
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+00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500
+ É essa a comunidade de desenvolvedores
+
+60
+00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500
+que são os membros da associação?
+
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+00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000
+Então, os membros da associação irá incluir
+
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+o todo a gama de pessoas afetadas finalmente,
+
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+direta ou indiretamente pela distribuição.
+
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+Serão desenvolvedores, pessoas que são
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+empacotadores de software, testadores e tradutores,
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+mas também os usuários, porque hoje a força
+
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+00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000
+de uma distribuição é a capacidade dos usuários
+
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+00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000
+ de sua comunidade para promover a distribuição
+
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+00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000
+de modo que eles têm um papel muito preponderante e essencial
+
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+para a associação.
+
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+ Por isso, repito a pergunta:
+
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+porque uma associação?
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+Você acha que hoje é a melhor maneira
+
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+de trabalhar juntos em um projeto como este?
+
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+Percebe-se que os valores de liberdade hoje
+
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+pode ser um pouco exigente
+
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+quanto à necessidade de compartilhar a
+
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+sustentabilidade do software, etc.
+
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+ e dada a história e os desafios da Mandriva no tempo,
+
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+ foi considerado que um projeto comunitário
+
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+ era mais adequado e
+
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+ a associação é apenas para regulamentar
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+ a utilização dos recursos da organização. Então sim, há um
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+projeto de comunidade, mas organizada de forma duradoura.
+
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+Ao mesmo tempo hoje nós precisamos viver,
+
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+00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000
+você era contratada por uma empresa
+
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+que trabalhava para Mandriva,
+
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+00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000
+ você pode desejar encontrar um emprego e salários atrasados
+
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+AN - sim, seria bom
+
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+00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000
+Isso deve ser tudo de bom, mas
+
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+00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500
+como é o que se gera a renda numa estrutura associativa?
+
+92
+00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500
+Então, a associação é uma coisa,
+
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+00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100
+ela desenvolve um produto chamado Mageia,
+
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+que é uma distribuição.
+
+95
+00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000
+ É perfeitamente possível considerar uma
+
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+estrutura comercial que irá atuar na periferia da associação e
+
+97
+00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000
+ será baseada na distribuição chamada Mageia e
+
+98
+00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000
+vai oferecer uma série de serviços como suporte,
+
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+consultoria, desenvolvimento,
+
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+ a fim de ajudar a comunidade empresarial a usar este produto,
+
+101
+00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000
+ que tem uma força tremenda,
+
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+e integrá-lo ao seu conjunto de solução disponíveis.
+
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+Agora você se depara com uma série de necessidades,
+
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+a primeira necessidade que nós iremos tentar responder a todos
+
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+é fazer um pouco de barulho em torno Mageia,
+
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+ porque ninguém conhece.
+
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+Ninguém conhece fora do pequeno mundo do software livre.
+
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+Mas eu admito que fomos muito agradavelmente surpreendido
+
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+00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000
+ com o retorno, pois não só a comunidade Mandriva
+
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+00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000
+ reagiu aos anúncios e aderiu,
+
+111
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+mas também as pessoas que usaram o Mandrake
+
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+ voltaram, porque acreditam que atende
+
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+um pouco mais a sua expectativa e sua visão
+
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+do que é uma distribuição de código aberto.
+
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+Deve haver cuidado com o que é chamado de
+
+116
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+ síndrome do umbigo, do fato das pessoas que te conhecerem
+
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+e o desafio de lidar com que aqueles que não sabem
+
+118
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+que você tem a preferência pela Mageia,
+
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+por isso se deve dizer as coisas bem claras por você se tornar
+
+120
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+um pouco concorrente do Mandriva?
+
+121
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+Bastante
+
+122
+00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700
+Como é que você faz para tentar promover esta nova marca,
+
+123
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+porque tudo isso custa dinheiro?
+
+124
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+Finalmente está começando, muito pequeno,
+
+125
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+desde que a decisão foi tomada há muito pouco tempo,
+
+126
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+lançamos um apelo por doações
+
+127
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+que atualmente nos atende muito bem, temos soluções
+
+128
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+ que nos permitem hospedar nossa infra-estrutura inteira,
+
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+ e vamos tentar mantê-la com as empresas aderirem a Associação.
+
+130
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+E, finalmente, existem muitos usuários que entendem
+
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+que o software livre não é necessariamente gratuito e
+
+132
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+que pode apoiar a distribuição ajudando com um pouco de dinheiro
+
+133
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+ a cada mês por exemplo,
+
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+pois sabe que esse dinheiro será usado de forma transparente
+
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+ e para manutenção.
+
+136
+00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500
+Temos muitos retornos nessa frente.
+
+137
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+E você acha que vai gerar dinheiro suficiente, eventualmente,
+
+138
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+para pagar as pessoas que trabalham permanentemente
+
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+na distribuição?
+
+140
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+No futuro imediato, não dentro da Associação,
+
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+mas ao contrario, em uma estrutura comercial,
+
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+que ofereça serviços que podem ser mais tradicionais,
+
+143
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+onde nós podemos realmente gerar renda
+
+144
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+ e que os rendimentos eventualmente poderão ser
+
+145
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+usadas para financiar desenvolvimentos
+
+146
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+adicionais da distribuição.
+
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+Muito boa transição, você já pensou que é necessário
+
+148
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+melhorar dentro Mageia ?
+
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+Porque, ao mesmo tempo, o Mandriva estava com
+
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+problemas há algum tempo e, portanto,
+
+151
+00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000
+pode estar faltando um pouco de desenvolvimento,
+
+152
+00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000
+quais as coisas novas que voces querem fazer?
+
+153
+00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000
+Sim, há uma abundância das coisas que queremos fazer, muitas coisas.
+
+154
+00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000
+Entre outras, há um ponto forte que é o
+
+155
+00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000
+ Centro de Controle de configuração do linux
+
+156
+00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000
+e agora está evoluindo,
+
+157
+00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000
+rejuvenescendo porque é verdade que está um pouco velha e
+
+158
+00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000
+por que não avançar para as arquiteturas
+
+159
+00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000
+que são cada vez mais utilizados, "tablets", por exemplo,
+
+160
+00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000
+ pode também mudar para a
+
+161
+00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000
+ inclusão de serviços como "nuvens", etc.
+
+162
+00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000
+Então, todas essa são diretrizes irão
+
+163
+00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500
+ser definidas nas próximas semanas.
+
+164
+00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500
+Você tem uma associações em funcionamento, real, participativa?
+
+165
+00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000
+Muito, Muito.
+
+166
+00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000
+Vocês vão se reúnem regularmente?
+
+167
+00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500
+Por enquanto, o encontro é um pouco especial, pois será virtual,
+
+168
+00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400
+porque a comunidade Mandriva é internacional, Mageia (perdão)
+
+169
+00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500
+ou seja, muitos estão na Europa, América do Sul, então,
+
+170
+00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000
+ neste caso o não podemos fazer reuniões real.
+
+171
+00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000
+A verdade é que estas são as pessoas estão acostumados
+
+172
+00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000
+a trabalhando dessa forma, à distância,
+
+173
+00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000
+então sim, haverá reuniões, com cada grupo de interesse,
+
+174
+00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000
+teremos uma Diretoria para administrar a associação
+
+175
+00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500
+ e tomar as decisões estratégicas,
+
+176
+00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000
+especialmente muita comunicação, talvez o que nós perdemos.
+
+177
+00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000
+Ok, esperamos ter dado a nossa pequena contribuição,
+
+178
+00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,500
+Boa sorte no projeto.
+
+179
+00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,000
+Obrigado
+
+180
+00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,200
+Vamos continuar em outro lugar, quem quiser saber mais o site é...
+
+181
+00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000
+mageia.org
+
+182
+00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000
+m-a-g-e-i-a
+
+183
+00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000
+Anne Nicolas, Muito obrigado
+
+184
+00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000
+Obrigada
+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [...]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into Portuguese, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I used the software &quot;Subtitle Editor 0.36.2&quot; (http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/) in Mandriva 2010.1. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
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