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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/2bdb5572/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/2bdb5572/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..19bff2b3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/2bdb5572/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Oct 6, 2010 Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br> + +<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"> +<div id="AOLMsgPart_0_518531a2-895f-437a-9d94-8da7f32cef7e" style="margin: 0px;font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size: 12px;color: #000;background-color: #fff;"><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>many languages (notwithstanding other web resources). +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc. +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language - +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>advantages and can be improved). +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>files). Again, nothing decided yet. +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams). +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Cheers, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Romain +</tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><br> +</tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Well, I see. Things are not ready at present.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">CMS (for official contents) + Wiki (for multilingual contents) is a good mode. Different work has different permissions.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Anyway, t</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: medium; ">t's a top priority to release a preview or beta version of Mageia.:)</span></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Take care!</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Yike</span></font></tt></pre> +</div> + <!-- end of AOLMsgPart_0_518531a2-895f-437a-9d94-8da7f32cef7e --> + + + +</div> +</font> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/2bdb5572/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/2bdb5572/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..19bff2b3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/2bdb5572/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Oct 6, 2010 Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br> + +<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"> +<div id="AOLMsgPart_0_518531a2-895f-437a-9d94-8da7f32cef7e" style="margin: 0px;font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size: 12px;color: #000;background-color: #fff;"><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>many languages (notwithstanding other web resources). +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc. +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language - +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>advantages and can be improved). +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>files). Again, nothing decided yet. +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams). +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Cheers, +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font> +<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">></span></font>Romain +</tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><br> +</tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Well, I see. Things are not ready at present.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">CMS (for official contents) + Wiki (for multilingual contents) is a good mode. Different work has different permissions.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Anyway, t</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: medium; ">t's a top priority to release a preview or beta version of Mageia.:)</span></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Take care!</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Yike</span></font></tt></pre> +</div> + <!-- end of AOLMsgPart_0_518531a2-895f-437a-9d94-8da7f32cef7e --> + + + +</div> +</font> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/312f25cf/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/312f25cf/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..02005d4ad --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/312f25cf/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 08:36, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br><div class="h5"><br> +</div>i notice that in 2010.1 in Kmail, this whole thread is grouped for date<br> +"Unknown" which is listed above "Today".<br> +<br> +There is definately a date header, that doesn't seem to be the problem. It<br> +would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the other<br> +threads?<br> +<br> +something about dates in the future when delivered? or something?<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>Using gmail in 2010.1 everything seems normal. <br>But somebody reported the same sort of problem for this thread, with a message date of 21-10-2010.<br> +<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/312f25cf/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/312f25cf/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..02005d4ad --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/312f25cf/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 08:36, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br><div class="h5"><br> +</div>i notice that in 2010.1 in Kmail, this whole thread is grouped for date<br> +"Unknown" which is listed above "Today".<br> +<br> +There is definately a date header, that doesn't seem to be the problem. It<br> +would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the other<br> +threads?<br> +<br> +something about dates in the future when delivered? or something?<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>Using gmail in 2010.1 everything seems normal. <br>But somebody reported the same sort of problem for this thread, with a message date of 21-10-2010.<br> +<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/4209b3a9/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/4209b3a9/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..70e65d4b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/4209b3a9/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic translation)<div>I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to share here :</div><div><br></div><div>Doc Team.</div><div><br> +</div><div>_ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted</div><div>_ base : operation for common tools for this job</div><div><br></div><div>_ objective : make participation easy</div><div>_ objective : produce quality docs for readers</div> +<div><br></div><div>_ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-)</div><div>_ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a large banner at the top of wiki welcome page (<a href="http://docs.mageia.org">docs.mageia.org</a> ? or whereever). Banner invite to download latest doc compil.</div> +<div><br></div><div>_ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as cauldron is dev sys)</div><div>_ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised documentation</div><div>_ effect : preserve 'works-ever' wiki and prevent any 'never-finished' impression for docs readers</div> +<div>_ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final quality</div><div><br></div><div>No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc.</div> +<div>Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning and indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk)</div><div><br></div><div>Resume in two sentences : </div><div>Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc)</div> +<div>Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places : works and reads.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/4209b3a9/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/4209b3a9/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..70e65d4b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/4209b3a9/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic translation)<div>I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to share here :</div><div><br></div><div>Doc Team.</div><div><br> +</div><div>_ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted</div><div>_ base : operation for common tools for this job</div><div><br></div><div>_ objective : make participation easy</div><div>_ objective : produce quality docs for readers</div> +<div><br></div><div>_ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-)</div><div>_ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a large banner at the top of wiki welcome page (<a href="http://docs.mageia.org">docs.mageia.org</a> ? or whereever). Banner invite to download latest doc compil.</div> +<div><br></div><div>_ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as cauldron is dev sys)</div><div>_ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised documentation</div><div>_ effect : preserve 'works-ever' wiki and prevent any 'never-finished' impression for docs readers</div> +<div>_ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final quality</div><div><br></div><div>No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc.</div> +<div>Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning and indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk)</div><div><br></div><div>Resume in two sentences : </div><div>Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc)</div> +<div>Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places : works and reads.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/568ae207/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/568ae207/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aa7f0cbb4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/568ae207/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 16:24, Maât <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br> +<div class="im">> communication structure.</div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"> +> So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more<br> +> constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it<br> +> now ?<br> +</div><br></blockquote>Thanks for the reply<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br> +Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to<br> +bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a<br> +(hopefully big) number of them in forum support team.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Yes, I think their role should be better advertised, and coupled to support.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +-- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users<br> +(and hopefully also skilled experts) willing to guide less experienced<br> +users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give<br> +users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of.<br> +The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome<br> +users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time<br> +consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number<br> +will be,</blockquote><div> </div><div>I think it would be best to have a gradation of skills, with an easy access to<br>less specialised helper roles.<br>The nearest thing I know to what I envision is the karma/moderation model of <br> +<a href="http://slashdot.org/">http://slashdot.org/</a> . But <em>phpBB3</em> does not seem support such sorts of features.<br>I am still trying to understand it's structure to see if it is reasonable to try to add them.<br> +<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy<br> +will be Mageia end users.<br> + <br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho<br> +will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i'm<br> +borrowing Goom's "clown nose")<br> +<br></blockquote><div> Yes, definitly. I think we must try to find ways/structures that help make these tasks enjoyable. The guiding principle beeing : most people enjoy beeing helpfull<br>within their abilities when they feel like it. So we have to give them (not only those formally member of the team) the tools and permissions adapted to their level of competence. <br> +<br>I mostly agree with all you wrote, but am too tired to do further comments at this moment.<br>Thanks<br> +</div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/568ae207/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/568ae207/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aa7f0cbb4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/568ae207/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 16:24, Maât <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br> +<div class="im">> communication structure.</div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"> +> So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more<br> +> constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it<br> +> now ?<br> +</div><br></blockquote>Thanks for the reply<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br> +Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to<br> +bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a<br> +(hopefully big) number of them in forum support team.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Yes, I think their role should be better advertised, and coupled to support.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +-- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users<br> +(and hopefully also skilled experts) willing to guide less experienced<br> +users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give<br> +users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of.<br> +The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome<br> +users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time<br> +consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number<br> +will be,</blockquote><div> </div><div>I think it would be best to have a gradation of skills, with an easy access to<br>less specialised helper roles.<br>The nearest thing I know to what I envision is the karma/moderation model of <br> +<a href="http://slashdot.org/">http://slashdot.org/</a> . But <em>phpBB3</em> does not seem support such sorts of features.<br>I am still trying to understand it's structure to see if it is reasonable to try to add them.<br> +<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy<br> +will be Mageia end users.<br> + <br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho<br> +will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i'm<br> +borrowing Goom's "clown nose")<br> +<br></blockquote><div> Yes, definitly. I think we must try to find ways/structures that help make these tasks enjoyable. The guiding principle beeing : most people enjoy beeing helpfull<br>within their abilities when they feel like it. So we have to give them (not only those formally member of the team) the tools and permissions adapted to their level of competence. <br> +<br>I mostly agree with all you wrote, but am too tired to do further comments at this moment.<br>Thanks<br> +</div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/77f260a5/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/77f260a5/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0cfddf73c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/77f260a5/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +Hi everyone,<br><br>I'd like to present to you some logos I made for mageia.<br><br>For their story:<br>First, I designed a shape around the letter "m" to be easily and quickly identifiable.<br>After that, the idea has been to choose the colors: Orange and blue <br> + + + + +the next step has been to find a clear, light and modern font: Greyscale Basic (<a href="http://www.greyscale.net/basic/" target="_blank">http://www.greyscale.net/basic/</a>)<br>Finally, I've played with 2 ideas: <br> + + +Idea 1- The letter and a symbol (in memory of the past): a star, a square and a circle with some light effects in cartoon style.<br> + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + + + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br><br>Idea 2- The letter like a button with the same light effects plus a version in plain color.<br> + + + + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + + + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + + + +<br>Hope you will appreciate them!<br><br>To introduce myself, I make designs for the OpenOffice.org projects since 2004.<br>Have a look here: <a href="http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/" target="_blank">http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/</a><br> + + + + +<br>Regards,<br><font color="#888888">--<br>Ben<br><br></font> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/77f260a5/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/77f260a5/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0cfddf73c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/77f260a5/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +Hi everyone,<br><br>I'd like to present to you some logos I made for mageia.<br><br>For their story:<br>First, I designed a shape around the letter "m" to be easily and quickly identifiable.<br>After that, the idea has been to choose the colors: Orange and blue <br> + + + + +the next step has been to find a clear, light and modern font: Greyscale Basic (<a href="http://www.greyscale.net/basic/" target="_blank">http://www.greyscale.net/basic/</a>)<br>Finally, I've played with 2 ideas: <br> + + +Idea 1- The letter and a symbol (in memory of the past): a star, a square and a circle with some light effects in cartoon style.<br> + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + + + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br><br>Idea 2- The letter like a button with the same light effects plus a version in plain color.<br> + + + + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + + + +- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + + + +<br>Hope you will appreciate them!<br><br>To introduce myself, I make designs for the OpenOffice.org projects since 2004.<br>Have a look here: <a href="http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/" target="_blank">http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/</a><br> + + + + +<br>Regards,<br><font color="#888888">--<br>Ben<br><br></font> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/82be6579/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/82be6579/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..be682b657 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/82be6579/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +Another tool for the same objective (and more) :<div><br></div><div><a href="http://shapado.com">http://shapado.com</a></div><div>licence : Affero GPL v3 :)</div><div><br></div><div>Let you build your own opinion (no influence over what I think, whatever). Thank you for considering the use of this software.</div> +<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Regards</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/82be6579/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/82be6579/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..be682b657 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/82be6579/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +Another tool for the same objective (and more) :<div><br></div><div><a href="http://shapado.com">http://shapado.com</a></div><div>licence : Affero GPL v3 :)</div><div><br></div><div>Let you build your own opinion (no influence over what I think, whatever). Thank you for considering the use of this software.</div> +<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Regards</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/df63114f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/df63114f/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b78b93e02 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/df63114f/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +While shapado is interesting ( but not packaged at this moment ), I fail<br> +to see how it a tool for list to web forum gateway.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Me too. Simply i dont want to start another discuss, just pass link here, where many people seems to be attentive to this type of tools in general </div> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<br> +There was some discussions among forum moderators at mandriva about<br> +using a better tools for support questions, and I think that shapado or<br> +similar software could be used for that.<br> +But again, not now.<br> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Never mind. I think "Darwin Law" is good for software too :) If shapado or similar will be used, and if it will be used more than others, then ... :)</div> +<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your attention</div><div> </div></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/df63114f/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/df63114f/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b78b93e02 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/df63114f/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +While shapado is interesting ( but not packaged at this moment ), I fail<br> +to see how it a tool for list to web forum gateway.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Me too. Simply i dont want to start another discuss, just pass link here, where many people seems to be attentive to this type of tools in general </div> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<br> +There was some discussions among forum moderators at mandriva about<br> +using a better tools for support questions, and I think that shapado or<br> +similar software could be used for that.<br> +But again, not now.<br> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Never mind. I think "Darwin Law" is good for software too :) If shapado or similar will be used, and if it will be used more than others, then ... :)</div> +<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your attention</div><div> </div></div><br> |