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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/0edf54ab/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/0edf54ab/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..61760d0e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/0edf54ab/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +<div class="h5"><br> +</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio's submission<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +?<br> +</blockquote></div>Yes.<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/0edf54ab/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/0edf54ab/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..61760d0e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/0edf54ab/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +<div class="h5"><br> +</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio's submission<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +?<br> +</blockquote></div>Yes.<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/19aac0e7/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/19aac0e7/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f77de7ef3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/19aac0e7/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Same that I said in other thread about logos:<br> +<br> +IMHO that people is trying to use "M" at any cost. I think that you<br> +could let your imagination fly free beyond the "M" and try with more<br> +abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom<br> +- community - equality - etc).<br> +<br> +And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:<br> +<br> +<a href="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg" target="_blank">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://174.122.2.131/%7Ecali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg" target="_blank">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg" target="_blank">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg" target="_blank">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</a><br> +<br> +Maybe too much examples, but that's what I think a logo should be.<br> +Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn't include the brand as a<br> +word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to "force" people to<br> +associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you<br> +see the Nike pipe without the word "Nike".<br> +<br> +Cheers!<br> +<br> +<br> +tavillo180<br> +</blockquote></div><br>I think that "M" managed to express joy and freedom, but it is a bit forced.<br>All these logos are good examples to follow (except GE, I think it is hideous IMHO). <br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/19aac0e7/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/19aac0e7/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f77de7ef3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/19aac0e7/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Same that I said in other thread about logos:<br> +<br> +IMHO that people is trying to use "M" at any cost. I think that you<br> +could let your imagination fly free beyond the "M" and try with more<br> +abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom<br> +- community - equality - etc).<br> +<br> +And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:<br> +<br> +<a href="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg" target="_blank">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://174.122.2.131/%7Ecali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg" target="_blank">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg" target="_blank">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</a><br> +<br> +<a href="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg" target="_blank">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</a><br> +<br> +Maybe too much examples, but that's what I think a logo should be.<br> +Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn't include the brand as a<br> +word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to "force" people to<br> +associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you<br> +see the Nike pipe without the word "Nike".<br> +<br> +Cheers!<br> +<br> +<br> +tavillo180<br> +</blockquote></div><br>I think that "M" managed to express joy and freedom, but it is a bit forced.<br>All these logos are good examples to follow (except GE, I think it is hideous IMHO). <br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2ccb637a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2ccb637a/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..627ad83a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2ccb637a/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +<span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">First, my English is not good but I try<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Second, +as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better if +it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Greetings</span></span><br clear="all">.<br><br>Juan Carlos<br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2ccb637a/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2ccb637a/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..627ad83a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2ccb637a/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +<span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">First, my English is not good but I try<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Second, +as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better if +it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Greetings</span></span><br clear="all">.<br><br>Juan Carlos<br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2de40a70/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2de40a70/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ee8f9da33 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2de40a70/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:56, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on<br> +it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with<br> +us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for<br> +internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use,<br> +etc, etc.<br> +<br> +And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between<br> +translators and people interested in the subject.<br> +<br> +If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss.<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br> +<br></font></blockquote><div>Somewhat out of topic, but related : <br> <br></div></div>I am aware that it is way too early to go into this now, but I mention, in case anybody is interested, that I have a long term interest in (and have 'high level' plans to make it possible) a simplified variant of automatic translation.<br> +<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2de40a70/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2de40a70/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ee8f9da33 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/2de40a70/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:56, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on<br> +it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with<br> +us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for<br> +internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use,<br> +etc, etc.<br> +<br> +And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between<br> +translators and people interested in the subject.<br> +<br> +If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss.<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br> +<br></font></blockquote><div>Somewhat out of topic, but related : <br> <br></div></div>I am aware that it is way too early to go into this now, but I mention, in case anybody is interested, that I have a long term interest in (and have 'high level' plans to make it possible) a simplified variant of automatic translation.<br> +<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/32652668/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/32652668/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f005fdcac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/32652668/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS <<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> First, my English is not good but I try<br> +><br> +> Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br> +> if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br> +><br> +<br> +</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br> +<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Me too.<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/32652668/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/32652668/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f005fdcac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/32652668/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS <<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> First, my English is not good but I try<br> +><br> +> Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br> +> if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br> +><br> +<br> +</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br> +<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Me too.<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/41b8a4b9/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/41b8a4b9/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91a752dfd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/41b8a4b9/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +W dniu 2010-09-24 20:32, Jérôme Martin pisze:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +And to fix the problem "this is an english spoken mailing list", I also propose<br> +to make this list a greek spoken mailing list :-)<br> +</blockquote> +<br> +That was nasty, Jerome ;)<br> +Dimitros, I believe the slogan will be localized depending on the country where the distro is released. Let's keep it in English on the English-oriented websites.<br> +<br> +_______________________________________________<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Me too</div><div>Because in every language the slogan sounds different, some times cant be exactly the english translation. So, before i use it in articles, forums etc, id like the opinion of other, greek spoken, here.</div> +<div><br></div><div>Or i was nt explained correctly or you read very fast the messages. </div><div><br></div><div> </div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/41b8a4b9/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/41b8a4b9/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91a752dfd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/41b8a4b9/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +W dniu 2010-09-24 20:32, Jérôme Martin pisze:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +And to fix the problem "this is an english spoken mailing list", I also propose<br> +to make this list a greek spoken mailing list :-)<br> +</blockquote> +<br> +That was nasty, Jerome ;)<br> +Dimitros, I believe the slogan will be localized depending on the country where the distro is released. Let's keep it in English on the English-oriented websites.<br> +<br> +_______________________________________________<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Me too</div><div>Because in every language the slogan sounds different, some times cant be exactly the english translation. So, before i use it in articles, forums etc, id like the opinion of other, greek spoken, here.</div> +<div><br></div><div>Or i was nt explained correctly or you read very fast the messages. </div><div><br></div><div> </div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4a5959ba/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4a5959ba/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6d022ac2a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4a5959ba/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <br> + <br> + Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a écrit : + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite"> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely + meaningless.<br> + </blockquote> + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite"> + <br> + C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br> + </blockquote> + <br> + Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer + manipulation, no garbage collector, no introspection and no + annotation.<br> + <br> + Sorry also for the ML, because this turn to be a technical + discussion.<br> + <br> + Cheers<br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4a5959ba/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4a5959ba/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6d022ac2a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4a5959ba/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <br> + <br> + Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a écrit : + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite"> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely + meaningless.<br> + </blockquote> + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite"> + <br> + C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br> + </blockquote> + <br> + Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer + manipulation, no garbage collector, no introspection and no + annotation.<br> + <br> + Sorry also for the ML, because this turn to be a technical + discussion.<br> + <br> + Cheers<br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e0523d9/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e0523d9/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..51db58584 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e0523d9/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Marc Paré <<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>><br> +<div class="im">> I was wondering if the KDE dev for Mandriva is here?<br> +</div>Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do think<br> +he's with us.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Where?<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e0523d9/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e0523d9/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..51db58584 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e0523d9/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Marc Paré <<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>><br> +<div class="im">> I was wondering if the KDE dev for Mandriva is here?<br> +</div>Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do think<br> +he's with us.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Where?<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e9f49e2/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e9f49e2/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..37de364d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e9f49e2/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +As I said, IMHO logo must be simple.<br> +<br> +Logos that I like:<br> +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +All these logos look simple enough. BUt they are elegant.<br> +<br> +I think that all famous logos have in common that they are simple: an<br> +apple, a red hat, the "evil" window, etc.<br> +<br> +Cheers!<br> +<br> +<br> +tavillo1980<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I like them too, especially the second and, maybe, the first. The third reminds of Mandriva...<br>If it's up to me, the styled penguin is the best, it has a special shape, as a rolling stone, polished by water in time. Like old tribes cult items. It is also modern.<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e9f49e2/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e9f49e2/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..37de364d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/4e9f49e2/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +As I said, IMHO logo must be simple.<br> +<br> +Logos that I like:<br> +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + +<br> +All these logos look simple enough. BUt they are elegant.<br> +<br> +I think that all famous logos have in common that they are simple: an<br> +apple, a red hat, the "evil" window, etc.<br> +<br> +Cheers!<br> +<br> +<br> +tavillo1980<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I like them too, especially the second and, maybe, the first. The third reminds of Mandriva...<br>If it's up to me, the styled penguin is the best, it has a special shape, as a rolling stone, polished by water in time. Like old tribes cult items. It is also modern.<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/509ca0d0/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/509ca0d0/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9c01cb8e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/509ca0d0/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkydpnwACgkQC3ySct6ZEpIzbgD/YMvBHQhYBmeGOVcxl3eQEIl5 +9JVh956O+xwnXftcOAUA/36sf2oTKgr+H5XXLCgx8biYYxJiKXa7wDiZYfqkmLHL +=rMHq +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/509ca0d0/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/509ca0d0/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9c01cb8e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/509ca0d0/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkydpnwACgkQC3ySct6ZEpIzbgD/YMvBHQhYBmeGOVcxl3eQEIl5 +9JVh956O+xwnXftcOAUA/36sf2oTKgr+H5XXLCgx8biYYxJiKXa7wDiZYfqkmLHL +=rMHq +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/56db4170/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/56db4170/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3c009714a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/56db4170/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br> +<div class="im"> from Mihai Dobrescu <<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>> who wrote:<br> +<br> +> Indeed, "Bordeaux" is the most profound (the deepest) of all reds to me.<br> +<br> +</div>Reminds me of a sister in law of mine, who hails from Quinsac (Gironde); who,<br> +when asked "Aimez vous le Bourgogne ? (Do you like Burgundy)<br> +replies "Je préfère le vin" (I prefer wine)<br> +<br> +Cheers,<br> +<br> +Ron.<br> +<font color="#888888">--<br> +        Insanity is hereditary: You get it from your kids.<br> +                         -- Sam Levenson<br> +<br> +          -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br> +</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>:)) Does the Bordeaux (the wine) reminds somebody the danger?<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/56db4170/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/56db4170/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3c009714a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/56db4170/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br> +<div class="im"> from Mihai Dobrescu <<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>> who wrote:<br> +<br> +> Indeed, "Bordeaux" is the most profound (the deepest) of all reds to me.<br> +<br> +</div>Reminds me of a sister in law of mine, who hails from Quinsac (Gironde); who,<br> +when asked "Aimez vous le Bourgogne ? (Do you like Burgundy)<br> +replies "Je préfère le vin" (I prefer wine)<br> +<br> +Cheers,<br> +<br> +Ron.<br> +<font color="#888888">--<br> +        Insanity is hereditary: You get it from your kids.<br> +                         -- Sam Levenson<br> +<br> +          -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br> +</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>:)) Does the Bordeaux (the wine) reminds somebody the danger?<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/5b7f3238/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/5b7f3238/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..69c32303f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/5b7f3238/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" + http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000066" bgcolor="#33ccff"> +Le 25/09/2010 14:03, André Machado a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:20100925050310.1E6ABE11@resin13.mta.everyone.net" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap=""> +Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++. + +Which one ? : Java, D, Vala. + + </pre> +</blockquote> +Java is a "higher level language" than C++ ??? This is absolutely +meaningless.<br> +<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/5b7f3238/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/5b7f3238/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..69c32303f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/5b7f3238/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" + http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000066" bgcolor="#33ccff"> +Le 25/09/2010 14:03, André Machado a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:20100925050310.1E6ABE11@resin13.mta.everyone.net" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap=""> +Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++. + +Which one ? : Java, D, Vala. + + </pre> +</blockquote> +Java is a "higher level language" than C++ ??? This is absolutely +meaningless.<br> +<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/62c13384/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/62c13384/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4a042d6a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/62c13384/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkydqn8ACgkQC3ySct6ZEpLA1wD/Xv7x3K2b70MOMUydIBHA+z6E +F+2i0wQ3LpL6rQ64Q7MA/2LZmqfdbfiRyzicBQMSr2Pd4TWNP3eS4H4IWsa2uH65 +=N4q+ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/62c13384/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/62c13384/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4a042d6a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/62c13384/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkydqn8ACgkQC3ySct6ZEpLA1wD/Xv7x3K2b70MOMUydIBHA+z6E +F+2i0wQ3LpL6rQ64Q7MA/2LZmqfdbfiRyzicBQMSr2Pd4TWNP3eS4H4IWsa2uH65 +=N4q+ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6863608f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6863608f/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dcd4af33c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6863608f/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" + http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <br> + <br> + Le 25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a écrit : + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"><br> + <pre wrap="">Unfortunately: + +1) Software actually developed by the MDV community is a small +percentage of the distro. Most of it is written by upstream developers, +who will use whatever they like. +</pre> + </blockquote> + I know that. But I think that providing solid bindings to high level + languages, can be for Mageia a<font color="BLACK"><b> </b>differentiation + point among other distros.</font><small><font color="BLACK"><b><span + style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small> + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"> + <pre wrap=""> +2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small +percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of +problem you describe. Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues. +</pre> + </blockquote> + I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've + often experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place + if<br> + it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to + dive into the code and fix it.<br> + <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6863608f/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6863608f/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dcd4af33c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6863608f/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" + http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <br> + <br> + Le 25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a écrit : + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"><br> + <pre wrap="">Unfortunately: + +1) Software actually developed by the MDV community is a small +percentage of the distro. Most of it is written by upstream developers, +who will use whatever they like. +</pre> + </blockquote> + I know that. But I think that providing solid bindings to high level + languages, can be for Mageia a<font color="BLACK"><b> </b>differentiation + point among other distros.</font><small><font color="BLACK"><b><span + style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small> + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"> + <pre wrap=""> +2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small +percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of +problem you describe. Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues. +</pre> + </blockquote> + I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've + often experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place + if<br> + it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to + dive into the code and fix it.<br> + <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6b21e969/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6b21e969/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0259d1d7d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6b21e969/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkyd2rUACgkQC3ySct6ZEpL6NAD8CJ104SlQ3tN41KMNY3Fde097 +4iY85uL5v9KRa25G35ABAILnNNtmaBQgK38jMwIGIckMC3rn0HwGcX4TFzW+8EVX +=0g03 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6b21e969/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6b21e969/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0259d1d7d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6b21e969/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkyd2rUACgkQC3ySct6ZEpL6NAD8CJ104SlQ3tN41KMNY3Fde097 +4iY85uL5v9KRa25G35ABAILnNNtmaBQgK38jMwIGIckMC3rn0HwGcX4TFzW+8EVX +=0g03 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9c2f8009/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9c2f8009/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2aa71d4ac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9c2f8009/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Mihai Dobrescu <<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>><br> +<div class="im">> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger<br> +</div><div class="im">> > I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created<br> +> > to work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?<br> +</div><div class="im">> Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva...<br> +> Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br> +<br> +</div>No, I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about staying one (or any) steps<br> +behind Mandriva. I was just against highjacking something. If there are<br> +packages for Mandriva let them use them.<br> +There won't be a first release of Mageia for quite some time, I think. Perhaps<br> +in three/for month, who knows? Sure we should use the newest stable versions<br> +of every software we use, then and sure we can experiment with software not so<br> +stable in the Cauldron, but let's wait till we really have something to work<br> +with!<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +Oliver<br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Of course, I was rhetorical. Let's do it! As best as we could! (if I can say that in English) But organized. Every thing at its time. It is hard to temper the enthusiasm. It's hard to temper the rush. But it's necessary in order to do the things right. What means to build KDE for Mandriva/Mageia? I mean beyond retrieving sources, make and make install?<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9c2f8009/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9c2f8009/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2aa71d4ac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9c2f8009/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Mihai Dobrescu <<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>><br> +<div class="im">> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger<br> +</div><div class="im">> > I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created<br> +> > to work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?<br> +</div><div class="im">> Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva...<br> +> Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br> +<br> +</div>No, I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about staying one (or any) steps<br> +behind Mandriva. I was just against highjacking something. If there are<br> +packages for Mandriva let them use them.<br> +There won't be a first release of Mageia for quite some time, I think. Perhaps<br> +in three/for month, who knows? Sure we should use the newest stable versions<br> +of every software we use, then and sure we can experiment with software not so<br> +stable in the Cauldron, but let's wait till we really have something to work<br> +with!<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +Oliver<br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Of course, I was rhetorical. Let's do it! As best as we could! (if I can say that in English) But organized. Every thing at its time. It is hard to temper the enthusiasm. It's hard to temper the rush. But it's necessary in order to do the things right. What means to build KDE for Mandriva/Mageia? I mean beyond retrieving sources, make and make install?<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9f82f203/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9f82f203/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dd9e27cfa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9f82f203/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im"><div><br> +</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio's submission<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + +?<br> +</blockquote></div></div>Yes.<br> +</blockquote></div>I prefer this: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9f82f203/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9f82f203/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dd9e27cfa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/9f82f203/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im"><div><br> +</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio's submission<br> +<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> + + +?<br> +</blockquote></div></div>Yes.<br> +</blockquote></div>I prefer this: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/a0af9f59/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/a0af9f59/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..36d2358f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/a0af9f59/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,338 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + <title></title> +</head> +<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> +Le 25/09/2010 15:09, Michael Scherer a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:1285420182.26436.101.camel@akroma.ephaone.org" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 09:43 +0200, Michael Scherer a écrit : + + </pre> + <blockquote type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should +be erased. + </pre> + </blockquote> + <pre wrap=""> +In a fully dictatorial and autocratic way, I have removed the footer +from the messages on -discuss and -dev. If this cause too much problem +( like people unable to find the web interface ), I will add them back. + +Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first +subscription. ( help welcome ). + </pre> +</blockquote> +Here is the message send every to the XFCE mailing-list subscriber :<br> +(sorry, it's quite long)<br> +<br> +<pre>Hi! + +Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you +with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce +answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support +or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent +periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users. + +You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this +mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups. +Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to +the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom). + + +Index: + +o General mailinglist information +o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) +o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? +o So what if I need help? +o I've read the websites and I still need help! +o No disclaimers please +o Quoting style? +o What about you guys? +o Most commonly asked questions +o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer + + + +o General mailinglist information + +The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers +(foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions +and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the +mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists: + +View all lists: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo</a> +Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a> +Online Archive: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a> + + +o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) + +There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing +list for Xfce is <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" + href="mailto:xfce@xfce.org">"xfce@xfce.org"</a>. This is the typical list to discuss +problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and +tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user. + +If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the +development mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" + href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">"xfce4-dev@xfce.org"</a>. There is an obsolete list +called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on +xfce version 4 this list is not used. + +Specific lists also exist for translations (<a + class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-i18n@xfce.org">xfce-i18n@xfce.org</a>), +announcements from the Xfce team (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:xfce-announce@xfce.org">xfce-announce@xfce.org</a>), commits and +autogenerated messages (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:xfce4-commits@xfce.org">xfce4-commits@xfce.org</a>, <a + class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-bugs@xfce.org">xfce-bugs@xfce.org</a>). + +Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them +are not hosted on foo-projects.org: + +xfc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:xfc-dev@xfce.org">xfc-dev@xfce.org</a> +thunar: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:thunar-dev@xfce.org">thunar-dev@xfce.org</a> +xfce goodies: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:goodies-dev@xfce.org">goodies-dev@xfce.org</a> + + +o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? + ++ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops +the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the +Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce +libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications +such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -> <a + class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://xfce.org/">http://xfce.org/</a> + ++ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all +over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations +to the Xfce components. -> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://i18n.xfce.org/">http://i18n.xfce.org/</a> + ++ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered +an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://goodies.xfce.org/">http://goodies.xfce.org/</a> and hosts a public SVN repository. Everyone is +welcome to contribute his Xfce application here! + ++ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have +contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too +large (xfc -> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://xfc.xfce.org/">http://xfc.xfce.org/</a>, pyxfce -> <a + class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pyxfce.xfce.org/">http://pyxfce.xfce.org/</a>) +to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on +the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -> <a + class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://directory.xfce.org/">http://directory.xfce.org/</a> + + +o So what if I need help? + +Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you +can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that +are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them: + +Official documentation: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/</a> +User Forum: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://forum.xfce.org/">http://forum.xfce.org/</a> +IRC channel: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce">irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce</a> +Wiki: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://wiki.xfce.org/">http://wiki.xfce.org/</a> +Bugreports: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://bugzilla.xfce.org/">http://bugzilla.xfce.org/</a> +List archives: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a> + +Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq">http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq</a> + + +o I've read the websites and I still need help! + +Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your +question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong +way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you +want as quickly as possible: + ++ Do some research first ++ Ask the right people ++ When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation ++ When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly ++ Use english ++ Be specific and detailed (but not too much) ++ Re-post the solution so others can learn + +If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't +be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions! + +There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most +senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent +ML poster as it explains <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span + class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>why<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> we write this way in a really good way: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a> + +Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you +will understand much better how to get your question answered. + + +o No disclaimers please + +If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is +automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it. +If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a +free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.). Note that such a disclaimer +means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with +public archives. Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your +message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when +messages are replied to repeatedly. Remember that you're posting to +a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their +time unnecessarily. + + +o Quoting style? + +It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies +to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is +something called "quoting style", that describes how you should quote +the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message. + +We prefer that you use "Top quoting". That means that you should put +your reply <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>below<span + class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original +poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and +you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the +reply belongs. + +Here's a good FAQ on how to quote: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://web.presby.edu/%7Ennqadmin/nnq/nquote.html">http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html</a> + +Basically: + ++ quote at the top ++ prune text from the quote that is irrelevant ++ remove footers and headers (condense) ++ put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text + + +o What about you guys? + +Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most +of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real +work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're +interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay +with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join +us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our +blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. -> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.xfce.org/">http://blog.xfce.org/</a> + + +o Most commonly asked questions + +There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other. +We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for +yourself how to find more information about them. + ++ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch +Xfce)? + +Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some +applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you +might consider using "devilspie". You can add links to applications in +~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which +applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your +session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications +before logging out!) + ++ Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y? + +Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in +all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another +window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus. +Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the +application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to +save your session when you exit. + ++ How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce? + +Read +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown</a> + ++ Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently? + +You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a +system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce +version in a non-system location like <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span + class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>opt/xfce<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>$(XFCE_VERSION) and +adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version +at run time. + ++ My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!? + +It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often +xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make +sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the +desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop +flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to +handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start +xfdesktop again and you should be OK again. + ++ How do I edit the system application menu? + +The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just +delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file +(usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can +completely customize the menu. + ++ What other (hidden) settings exist? + +A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each +component. +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options</a> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk</a> + ++ Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX? + +The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes +links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org/download/">http://www.xfce.org/download/</a> + +o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer + +The current FAQ maintainer is: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:sofar@foo-projects.org">sofar@foo-projects.org</a> + +_______________________________________________ +Xfce mailing list +<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Xfce@xfce.org">Xfce@xfce.org</a> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org">http://www.xfce.org</a> +</pre> +<br> +<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- +Marianne (Jehane) Lombard +Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team +Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett +</pre> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/a0af9f59/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/a0af9f59/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..36d2358f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/a0af9f59/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,338 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + <title></title> +</head> +<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> +Le 25/09/2010 15:09, Michael Scherer a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:1285420182.26436.101.camel@akroma.ephaone.org" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 09:43 +0200, Michael Scherer a écrit : + + </pre> + <blockquote type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should +be erased. + </pre> + </blockquote> + <pre wrap=""> +In a fully dictatorial and autocratic way, I have removed the footer +from the messages on -discuss and -dev. If this cause too much problem +( like people unable to find the web interface ), I will add them back. + +Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first +subscription. ( help welcome ). + </pre> +</blockquote> +Here is the message send every to the XFCE mailing-list subscriber :<br> +(sorry, it's quite long)<br> +<br> +<pre>Hi! + +Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you +with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce +answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support +or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent +periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users. + +You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this +mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups. +Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to +the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom). + + +Index: + +o General mailinglist information +o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) +o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? +o So what if I need help? +o I've read the websites and I still need help! +o No disclaimers please +o Quoting style? +o What about you guys? +o Most commonly asked questions +o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer + + + +o General mailinglist information + +The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers +(foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions +and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the +mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists: + +View all lists: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo</a> +Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a> +Online Archive: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a> + + +o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) + +There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing +list for Xfce is <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" + href="mailto:xfce@xfce.org">"xfce@xfce.org"</a>. This is the typical list to discuss +problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and +tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user. + +If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the +development mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" + href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">"xfce4-dev@xfce.org"</a>. There is an obsolete list +called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on +xfce version 4 this list is not used. + +Specific lists also exist for translations (<a + class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-i18n@xfce.org">xfce-i18n@xfce.org</a>), +announcements from the Xfce team (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:xfce-announce@xfce.org">xfce-announce@xfce.org</a>), commits and +autogenerated messages (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:xfce4-commits@xfce.org">xfce4-commits@xfce.org</a>, <a + class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-bugs@xfce.org">xfce-bugs@xfce.org</a>). + +Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them +are not hosted on foo-projects.org: + +xfc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:xfc-dev@xfce.org">xfc-dev@xfce.org</a> +thunar: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:thunar-dev@xfce.org">thunar-dev@xfce.org</a> +xfce goodies: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:goodies-dev@xfce.org">goodies-dev@xfce.org</a> + + +o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? + ++ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops +the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the +Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce +libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications +such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -> <a + class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://xfce.org/">http://xfce.org/</a> + ++ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all +over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations +to the Xfce components. -> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://i18n.xfce.org/">http://i18n.xfce.org/</a> + ++ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered +an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://goodies.xfce.org/">http://goodies.xfce.org/</a> and hosts a public SVN repository. Everyone is +welcome to contribute his Xfce application here! + ++ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have +contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too +large (xfc -> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://xfc.xfce.org/">http://xfc.xfce.org/</a>, pyxfce -> <a + class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pyxfce.xfce.org/">http://pyxfce.xfce.org/</a>) +to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on +the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -> <a + class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://directory.xfce.org/">http://directory.xfce.org/</a> + + +o So what if I need help? + +Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you +can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that +are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them: + +Official documentation: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/</a> +User Forum: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://forum.xfce.org/">http://forum.xfce.org/</a> +IRC channel: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce">irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce</a> +Wiki: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://wiki.xfce.org/">http://wiki.xfce.org/</a> +Bugreports: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://bugzilla.xfce.org/">http://bugzilla.xfce.org/</a> +List archives: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a> + +Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq">http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq</a> + + +o I've read the websites and I still need help! + +Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your +question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong +way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you +want as quickly as possible: + ++ Do some research first ++ Ask the right people ++ When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation ++ When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly ++ Use english ++ Be specific and detailed (but not too much) ++ Re-post the solution so others can learn + +If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't +be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions! + +There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most +senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent +ML poster as it explains <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span + class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>why<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> we write this way in a really good way: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a> + +Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you +will understand much better how to get your question answered. + + +o No disclaimers please + +If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is +automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it. +If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a +free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.). Note that such a disclaimer +means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with +public archives. Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your +message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when +messages are replied to repeatedly. Remember that you're posting to +a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their +time unnecessarily. + + +o Quoting style? + +It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies +to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is +something called "quoting style", that describes how you should quote +the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message. + +We prefer that you use "Top quoting". That means that you should put +your reply <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>below<span + class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original +poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and +you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the +reply belongs. + +Here's a good FAQ on how to quote: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://web.presby.edu/%7Ennqadmin/nnq/nquote.html">http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html</a> + +Basically: + ++ quote at the top ++ prune text from the quote that is irrelevant ++ remove footers and headers (condense) ++ put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text + + +o What about you guys? + +Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most +of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real +work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're +interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay +with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join +us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our +blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. -> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.xfce.org/">http://blog.xfce.org/</a> + + +o Most commonly asked questions + +There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other. +We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for +yourself how to find more information about them. + ++ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch +Xfce)? + +Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some +applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you +might consider using "devilspie". You can add links to applications in +~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which +applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your +session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications +before logging out!) + ++ Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y? + +Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in +all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another +window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus. +Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the +application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to +save your session when you exit. + ++ How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce? + +Read +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown</a> + ++ Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently? + +You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a +system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce +version in a non-system location like <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span + class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>opt/xfce<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>$(XFCE_VERSION) and +adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version +at run time. + ++ My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!? + +It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often +xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make +sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the +desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop +flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to +handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start +xfdesktop again and you should be OK again. + ++ How do I edit the system application menu? + +The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just +delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file +(usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can +completely customize the menu. + ++ What other (hidden) settings exist? + +A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each +component. +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options</a> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk</a> + ++ Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX? + +The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes +links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit: + +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org/download/">http://www.xfce.org/download/</a> + +o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer + +The current FAQ maintainer is: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" + href="mailto:sofar@foo-projects.org">sofar@foo-projects.org</a> + +_______________________________________________ +Xfce mailing list +<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Xfce@xfce.org">Xfce@xfce.org</a> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" + href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a> +<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org">http://www.xfce.org</a> +</pre> +<br> +<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- +Marianne (Jehane) Lombard +Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team +Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett +</pre> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b3d17551/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b3d17551/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..59fee779c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b3d17551/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> +Le 25/09/2010 04:48, André Machado a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">--- <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a> escreveu: +From: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">"terraagua@gmail.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com"><terraagua@gmail.com></a> +To: Mageia general discussions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"><mageia-discuss@mageia.org></a> +Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br? +Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300 + +Olá, + +who knows about site megeia-br? + +The creation of site mageia-br (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</a>) occurred with +the agreement / probation this forum or IRC? + +MacXi + +brazilian community of Mandriva users. + </pre> +</blockquote> +----<br> +<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is available at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</a> + +Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to mageia.org/pt-br is <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mageia.com.br">www.mageia.com.br</a>, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da Silva Júnior +. + +Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These infos have Phone and mail address. + + </pre> +</blockquote> +Hem... running under Microsoft IIS<br> +<br> +And mail contact : Mailing lists link replaced by <a + href="mailto:project@mageia-br.org">project@mageia-br.org</a> <span + style="display: none;">Este endereço de e-mail está protegido contra +spambots. Você deve habilitar o JavaScript para visualizá-lo. </span><br> +<br> +...<br> +<br> +<br> +<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b3d17551/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b3d17551/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..59fee779c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b3d17551/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> +Le 25/09/2010 04:48, André Machado a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">--- <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a> escreveu: +From: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">"terraagua@gmail.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com"><terraagua@gmail.com></a> +To: Mageia general discussions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"><mageia-discuss@mageia.org></a> +Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br? +Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300 + +Olá, + +who knows about site megeia-br? + +The creation of site mageia-br (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</a>) occurred with +the agreement / probation this forum or IRC? + +MacXi + +brazilian community of Mandriva users. + </pre> +</blockquote> +----<br> +<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is available at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</a> + +Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to mageia.org/pt-br is <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mageia.com.br">www.mageia.com.br</a>, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da Silva Júnior +. + +Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These infos have Phone and mail address. + + </pre> +</blockquote> +Hem... running under Microsoft IIS<br> +<br> +And mail contact : Mailing lists link replaced by <a + href="mailto:project@mageia-br.org">project@mageia-br.org</a> <span + style="display: none;">Este endereço de e-mail está protegido contra +spambots. Você deve habilitar o JavaScript para visualizá-lo. </span><br> +<br> +...<br> +<br> +<br> +<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b4d89660/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b4d89660/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f73c1ab01 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b4d89660/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> +Farfouille wrote: +<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DFCAA.8070303@free.fr" type="cite"> Le +25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a écrit :<small><font color="BLACK"><b><span + style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small> + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small +percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of +problem you describe. Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues. + </pre> + </blockquote> +I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've often +experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place if<br> +it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to dive +into the code and fix it.<br> + <br> +</blockquote> +By "behavioral", I don't mean bug as in unintended behavior, but +behavior intended by the developer with which most of the users +disagree, e.g. make this the default rather than that.<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b4d89660/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b4d89660/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f73c1ab01 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/b4d89660/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> +Farfouille wrote: +<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DFCAA.8070303@free.fr" type="cite"> Le +25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a écrit :<small><font color="BLACK"><b><span + style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small> + <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small +percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of +problem you describe. Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues. + </pre> + </blockquote> +I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've often +experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place if<br> +it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to dive +into the code and fix it.<br> + <br> +</blockquote> +By "behavioral", I don't mean bug as in unintended behavior, but +behavior intended by the developer with which most of the users +disagree, e.g. make this the default rather than that.<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c1d1302c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c1d1302c/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..30af28a90 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c1d1302c/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> +<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css"> +p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } +</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Afmachado, </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I Just want to know if it was discussed here or is a independent project.</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Thanks</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Sex 24 Set 2010, à s 23:48:31, André Machado escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> --- terraagua@gmail.com escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> From: "terraagua@gmail.com" <terraagua@gmail.com></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Olá,</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> who knows about site megeia-br?</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> The creation of site mageia-br (http://mageia-br.org/) occurred with</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> MacXi</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> brazilian community of Mandriva users.</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> available at http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Silva Júnior .</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> infos have Phone and mail address.</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> _____________________________________________________________</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> ---> A Washington Online Community Member ---> http://www.DCpages.com</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> _______________________________________________</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Mageia-discuss mailing list</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c1d1302c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c1d1302c/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..30af28a90 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c1d1302c/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> +<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css"> +p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } +</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Afmachado, </p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I Just want to know if it was discussed here or is a independent project.</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Thanks</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p> +<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Sex 24 Set 2010, às 23:48:31, André Machado escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> --- terraagua@gmail.com escreveu:</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> From: "terraagua@gmail.com" <terraagua@gmail.com></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org></p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Olá,</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> who knows about site megeia-br?</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> The creation of site mageia-br (http://mageia-br.org/) occurred with</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> MacXi</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> brazilian community of Mandriva users.</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> available at http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Silva Júnior .</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at</p> +<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c5c7ebac/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c5c7ebac/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..63ddf1a6a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c5c7ebac/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <br> + <br> + Le 25/09/2010 16:54, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit : + <blockquote + cite="mid:201009251054.16965.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">On Saturday 25 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Farfouille <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr"><farfouille64@free.fr></a> who wrote: + +</pre> + <blockquote type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is +obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because there +less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide. +</pre> + </blockquote> + <pre wrap=""> +This argument does not hold water. I used to program in APL, progs were +usually very short (a complex prog had less than a few dozen lines), and could +be full of bugs. + +Cheers, + +Ron. +</pre> + </blockquote> + Please don't compare APL with the languages aforementioned.<br> + Quote from Wikipedia about APL :<br> + "Because of its condensed nature and non-standard characters, APL + has sometimes been termed a "<a + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_language" + title="Write-only language">write-only language</a>", and reading + an APL program can at first feel like decoding <a + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphics" + title="Egyptian hieroglyphics" class="mw-redirect">Egyptian + hieroglyphics</a>. Because of the unusual <a + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_set" title="Character + set" class="mw-redirect">character set</a>, many programmers use + special <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_keyboard" + title="Computer keyboard" class="mw-redirect">keyboards</a> with + APL keytops for authoring APL code."<br> + <br> + My argument is about C/Gobject and Vala not about any languages. + Vala has been developed with the goal of easing Glib programming. + That's why the comparison of program length makes sense.<br> + <br> + Cheers,<br> + <br> + Farfouille.<br> + <br> + <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c5c7ebac/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c5c7ebac/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..63ddf1a6a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/c5c7ebac/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <br> + <br> + Le 25/09/2010 16:54, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit : + <blockquote + cite="mid:201009251054.16965.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" + type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">On Saturday 25 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Farfouille <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr"><farfouille64@free.fr></a> who wrote: + +</pre> + <blockquote type="cite"> + <pre wrap="">If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is +obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because there +less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide. +</pre> + </blockquote> + <pre wrap=""> +This argument does not hold water. I used to program in APL, progs were +usually very short (a complex prog had less than a few dozen lines), and could +be full of bugs. + +Cheers, + +Ron. +</pre> + </blockquote> + Please don't compare APL with the languages aforementioned.<br> + Quote from Wikipedia about APL :<br> + "Because of its condensed nature and non-standard characters, APL + has sometimes been termed a "<a + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_language" + title="Write-only language">write-only language</a>", and reading + an APL program can at first feel like decoding <a + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphics" + title="Egyptian hieroglyphics" class="mw-redirect">Egyptian + hieroglyphics</a>. Because of the unusual <a + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_set" title="Character + set" class="mw-redirect">character set</a>, many programmers use + special <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_keyboard" + title="Computer keyboard" class="mw-redirect">keyboards</a> with + APL keytops for authoring APL code."<br> + <br> + My argument is about C/Gobject and Vala not about any languages. + Vala has been developed with the goal of easing Glib programming. + That's why the comparison of program length makes sense.<br> + <br> + Cheers,<br> + <br> + Farfouille.<br> + <br> + <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ca3f9e78/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ca3f9e78/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9d3618a25 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ca3f9e78/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +atilla ontas <<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>><br> +<div class="im">> 2010/9/25 Marc Paré <<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>>:<br> +</div><div class="im">> > Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages<br> +> > already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could<br> +> > release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to<br> +> > come. Most people would know that it would have been really for<br> +> > Mdv2010.1.<br> +</div><div class="im">> Isn't it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or<br> +> servers have been set up yet.<br> +<br> +</div>I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created to<br> +work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages? What do we<br> +win by this? I think we would only loose some credibility in the international<br> +OpenSource community.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>OMG!<br>As user I wouldn't think you want to kill/destroy/blow up/whatever evil you may imagine to do to Mandriva.<br>You just try to get the best for Mageia's users. Although the cutting edge is not he best. I wish to have the newest possible (read stable) version built in my distro.<br> +Let's not be negative and hostile in thinking.<br>Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva... Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br>Actually, if Mageia will contribute to some important component as KDE is, this will help all the distros around, including Mandriva. I'm sure they will upgrade some component due to their plan, so it is not anybody's fault if they decide to remain behind (to a certain version).<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ca3f9e78/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ca3f9e78/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9d3618a25 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ca3f9e78/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +atilla ontas <<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>><br> +<div class="im">> 2010/9/25 Marc Paré <<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>>:<br> +</div><div class="im">> > Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages<br> +> > already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could<br> +> > release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to<br> +> > come. Most people would know that it would have been really for<br> +> > Mdv2010.1.<br> +</div><div class="im">> Isn't it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or<br> +> servers have been set up yet.<br> +<br> +</div>I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created to<br> +work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages? What do we<br> +win by this? I think we would only loose some credibility in the international<br> +OpenSource community.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br>OMG!<br>As user I wouldn't think you want to kill/destroy/blow up/whatever evil you may imagine to do to Mandriva.<br>You just try to get the best for Mageia's users. Although the cutting edge is not he best. I wish to have the newest possible (read stable) version built in my distro.<br> +Let's not be negative and hostile in thinking.<br>Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva... Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br>Actually, if Mageia will contribute to some important component as KDE is, this will help all the distros around, including Mandriva. I'm sure they will upgrade some component due to their plan, so it is not anybody's fault if they decide to remain behind (to a certain version).<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cb52f17e/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cb52f17e/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..26d12d85e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cb52f17e/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,4 @@ +<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><BR><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<BR>Logo doesn't need have Mageia word or M letter, but need be something that people look and associate with distro. See Apple logo: there is no Apple word or A letter, but when we look for that stylized frui, we know that is talking about Steve Job's company. +</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <BR><HR>Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com ---> A Washington Online Community Member ---><BR>http://www.DCpages.com</DIV> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cb52f17e/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cb52f17e/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..faa456ebd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cb52f17e/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><BR><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<BR>Logo doesn't need have Mageia word or M letter, but need be something that people look and associate with distro. See Apple logo: there is no Apple word or A letter, but when we look for that stylized frui, we know that is talking about Steve Job's company. +</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <BR><HR>Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com ---> A Washington Online Community Member ---><BR>http://www.DCpages.com</DIV> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cca8e8d6/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cca8e8d6/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cda26e466 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cca8e8d6/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkydpjwACgkQC3ySct6ZEpLsFQEA8h/CsuZ2DrabLlj8xTLfcMr/ +DZVxtenQIo+r6uh+s6YBAM6ZA6lIM+Sq/mgmH8iyo21+1lAEm4DgtZeD9I3RR0XT +=3wrj +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cca8e8d6/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cca8e8d6/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cda26e466 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/cca8e8d6/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkydpjwACgkQC3ySct6ZEpLsFQEA8h/CsuZ2DrabLlj8xTLfcMr/ +DZVxtenQIo+r6uh+s6YBAM6ZA6lIM+Sq/mgmH8iyo21+1lAEm4DgtZeD9I3RR0XT +=3wrj +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ce90a652/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ce90a652/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..43ded4238 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ce90a652/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + + <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello mageians! <span + class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br> + <br> + I created an Opendesktop group to offer some visibility on the + OpenDesktop.org websites. This is just for you to know about it. + I guess this will can help encouraging contributions on the + Artwork and applications side, in some way in the future. <br> + <br> + <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407">http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407</a><br> + <br> + Cheers,<br> + <br> + Thomas. <br> + </font> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ce90a652/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ce90a652/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..43ded4238 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ce90a652/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + + <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello mageians! <span + class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br> + <br> + I created an Opendesktop group to offer some visibility on the + OpenDesktop.org websites. This is just for you to know about it. + I guess this will can help encouraging contributions on the + Artwork and applications side, in some way in the future. <br> + <br> + <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407">http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407</a><br> + <br> + Cheers,<br> + <br> + Thomas. <br> + </font> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ced6f91a/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ced6f91a/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ef4fe7e7f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ced6f91a/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkyd6Y0ACgkQC3ySct6ZEpLO+AD+Ja0v16l8FtdLJQ7s9/99/zyx +7xXktoJrqn6lWcnEUw8A/jzuUjAjr8CCccogeTXbNNQ73nOMDEpMgviGULNpbi2J +=sJW6 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ced6f91a/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ced6f91a/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ef4fe7e7f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/ced6f91a/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iF4EAREIAAYFAkyd6Y0ACgkQC3ySct6ZEpLO+AD+Ja0v16l8FtdLJQ7s9/99/zyx +7xXktoJrqn6lWcnEUw8A/jzuUjAjr8CCccogeTXbNNQ73nOMDEpMgviGULNpbi2J +=sJW6 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/d2b6136f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/d2b6136f/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..046a958bf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/d2b6136f/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000066" bgcolor="#33ccff"> +Le 25/09/2010 14:31, Farfouille a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite">)<br> + <br> +Le 25/09/2010 14:03, André Machado a écrit : + <br> + <blockquote type="cite">Short answer : by using language of higher +level than C or C++. + <br> + <br> +Which one ? : Java, D, Vala. + <br> + </blockquote> +</blockquote> +To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely meaningless.<br> +<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite"> + <blockquote type="cite">- low level libraries can still be done in +C/C++ with well crafted bindings to high level languages + <br> + </blockquote> +</blockquote> +There is no such thing as C/C++. There is C language on the one hand +and C++ language on the other. Two very different languages (even if +C++ includes most of C language).<br> +C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br> +Of course you can prefer one over the other : that is a quite different +point.<br> +Cassian Braconnier (Ptyxs)<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/d2b6136f/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/d2b6136f/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..046a958bf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/d2b6136f/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> +<head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> +</head> +<body text="#000066" bgcolor="#33ccff"> +Le 25/09/2010 14:31, Farfouille a écrit : +<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite">)<br> + <br> +Le 25/09/2010 14:03, André Machado a écrit : + <br> + <blockquote type="cite">Short answer : by using language of higher +level than C or C++. + <br> + <br> +Which one ? : Java, D, Vala. + <br> + </blockquote> +</blockquote> +To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely meaningless.<br> +<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite"> + <blockquote type="cite">- low level libraries can still be done in +C/C++ with well crafted bindings to high level languages + <br> + </blockquote> +</blockquote> +There is no such thing as C/C++. There is C language on the one hand +and C++ language on the other. Two very different languages (even if +C++ includes most of C language).<br> +C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br> +Of course you can prefer one over the other : that is a quite different +point.<br> +Cassian Braconnier (Ptyxs)<br> +</body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/de57078e/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/de57078e/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..834b394d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/de57078e/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + Le 23/09/2010 21:53, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit : + <blockquote + cite="mid:AANLkTi=5Tj_aGtSiwqksjeOARyde_OKKxHDiyVCBRbwh@mail.gmail.com" + type="cite"><br> + <br> + <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM, peter f + miller <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:pfmiller@gmail.com">pfmiller@gmail.com</a>></span> + wrote:<br> + <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt + 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); + padding-left: 1ex;"> + <div class="gmail_quote"> + <div class="im">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, "Funda Wang" <<a + moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" + target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br + type="attribution"> + > 在 2010å¹´9月23æ—¥ 下åˆ11:06，Kira <<a + moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>> + 写é“：<br> + >> 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James + <<a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>> + 寫é“:<br> + >> I had also tried to translate the text. In + Chinese there's really no words<br> + >> match up with the meaning of fork in English. + But, I think using the word<br> + >> branch in Chinese: "分支", would fit in the meaning + in the text.<br> + > Exact translation for "branch", but it won't fit the + meaning of fork.<br> + <br> + </div> + My dictionary gives "分å‰" as the translation of fork, do you + think this word is also not quite right? + </div> + <br> + _______________________________________________<br> + Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" + target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> + <br> + </blockquote> + </div> + <br> + Don't you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the + hay? It is called "<font size="2">Pitchfork", look here: <a + moz-do-not-send="true" + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork</a>. + Could it be an alternative? I think this is the origin to the + verb "fork" somehow.</font><br> + </blockquote> + <br> + Any news about this chinese translation?<br> + <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/de57078e/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/de57078e/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..834b394d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/de57078e/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + Le 23/09/2010 21:53, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit : + <blockquote + cite="mid:AANLkTi=5Tj_aGtSiwqksjeOARyde_OKKxHDiyVCBRbwh@mail.gmail.com" + type="cite"><br> + <br> + <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM, peter f + miller <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:pfmiller@gmail.com">pfmiller@gmail.com</a>></span> + wrote:<br> + <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt + 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); + padding-left: 1ex;"> + <div class="gmail_quote"> + <div class="im">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, "Funda Wang" <<a + moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" + target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br + type="attribution"> + > 在 2010å¹´9月23æ—¥ 下åˆ11:06，Kira <<a + moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>> + 写é“：<br> + >> 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James + <<a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>> + 寫é“:<br> + >> I had also tried to translate the text. In + Chinese there's really no words<br> + >> match up with the meaning of fork in English. + But, I think using the word<br> + >> branch in Chinese: "分支", would fit in the meaning + in the text.<br> + > Exact translation for "branch", but it won't fit the + meaning of fork.<br> + <br> + </div> + My dictionary gives "分å‰" as the translation of fork, do you + think this word is also not quite right? + </div> + <br> + _______________________________________________<br> + Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" + target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> + <br> + </blockquote> + </div> + <br> + Don't you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the + hay? It is called "<font size="2">Pitchfork", look here: <a + moz-do-not-send="true" + href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork</a>. + Could it be an alternative? I think this is the origin to the + verb "fork" somehow.</font><br> + </blockquote> + <br> + Any news about this chinese translation?<br> + <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e31b88ec/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e31b88ec/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b33e730c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e31b88ec/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Jéjé <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeje-mageia@sfr.fr">jeje-mageia@sfr.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Hi,<br> +<br> +<br> +I've got an idea for a logo, but unfortunately not the skills to do it :( Maybe the theme could interest someone that got them.<br> +So I thought to a stylish phoenix :<br> +- it's a magical bird, so that symbolize well mageia<br> +- mageia could be called a rebirth<br> +- the theme of a magical bird is present in a lot of cultures (persian, chinese, south-american ...)<br> +<br> +<br> +Cheers.<br> +<br> +<br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</blockquote></div><br>Firebird, Thunderbird have it...<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e31b88ec/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e31b88ec/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b33e730c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e31b88ec/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Jéjé <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeje-mageia@sfr.fr">jeje-mageia@sfr.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Hi,<br> +<br> +<br> +I've got an idea for a logo, but unfortunately not the skills to do it :( Maybe the theme could interest someone that got them.<br> +So I thought to a stylish phoenix :<br> +- it's a magical bird, so that symbolize well mageia<br> +- mageia could be called a rebirth<br> +- the theme of a magical bird is present in a lot of cultures (persian, chinese, south-american ...)<br> +<br> +<br> +Cheers.<br> +<br> +<br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-discuss mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br> +</blockquote></div><br>Firebird, Thunderbird have it...<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e91ff0fd/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e91ff0fd/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ee3dfb7ab --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e91ff0fd/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com" target="_blank">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS <<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> First, my English is not good but I try<br> +><br> +> Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br> +> if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br> +><br> +<br> +</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br> +<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div>Me too.<br> +</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Agree, especially chrystal clear sounds fresh, like new beginnings.<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e91ff0fd/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e91ff0fd/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ee3dfb7ab --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/e91ff0fd/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com" target="_blank">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS <<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> First, my English is not good but I try<br> +><br> +> Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br> +> if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br> +><br> +<br> +</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br> +<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div>Me too.<br> +</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Agree, especially chrystal clear sounds fresh, like new beginnings.<br> |