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+ <B>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>2012-06-03 10:44, AL13N skrev:
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 3 juni 2012 16:13:01 schreef Doug Laidlaw:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:03:46 +1200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> John&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">john at neodoc.biz</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure if others have seen this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement">http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> John
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The statement says that all new computers must have the Windows-only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lock. What about upgrades? If I buy a computer from a Linux dealer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and retrofit Windows 8, where do I stand?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am staying with XP. The dealers still prefer XP over Win7, when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they have a choice. When I can no longer use that, Windows goes out the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> window.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Registered Linux user.
+</I>&gt;<i> it means that if vendors will want to have the Win8 Certified Sticker, they
+</I>&gt;<i> will need to provided UEFI Secure Boot with only the windows key.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that means you can't simply buy a machine and put linux under it, without
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either, you will need to disable Secure Boot (maybe a jumper on mobo or in
+</I>&gt;<i> BIOS) or somehow add extra keys you need to build yourself for your own kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> and bootloader.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> originally, Microsoft had required that this key be hardwired, so that it was
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible to disable it or add any key.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now it's still true for ARM devices, but not anymore for desktops. (after
+</I>&gt;<i> quite some upheaval Microsoft let it go for desktops)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora made a statement that it'll buy subscription from the windows key in
+</I>&gt;<i> their installer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a PITA, but also quite sad.
+</I>This form doesn't work. Why?
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Norbert Marchl</B>
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+<PRE>Am 2012-06-07 01:28, schrieb Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure if others have seen this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement">http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> John
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The statement says that all new computers must have the Windows-only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lock. What about upgrades? If I buy a computer from a Linux dealer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and retrofit Windows 8, where do I stand?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am staying with XP. The dealers still prefer XP over Win7, when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they have a choice. When I can no longer use that, Windows goes out the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> window.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Registered Linux user.
+</I>&gt;<i> it means that if vendors will want to have the Win8 Certified Sticker,
+</I>&gt;<i> they
+</I>&gt;<i> will need to provided UEFI Secure Boot with only the windows key.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that means you can't simply buy a machine and put linux under it, without
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either, you will need to disable Secure Boot (maybe a jumper on mobo
+</I>&gt;<i> or in
+</I>&gt;<i> BIOS) or somehow add extra keys you need to build yourself for your
+</I>&gt;<i> own kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> and bootloader.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> originally, Microsoft had required that this key be hardwired, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> it was
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible to disable it or add any key.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now it's still true for ARM devices, but not anymore for desktops. (after
+</I>&gt;<i> quite some upheaval Microsoft let it go for desktops)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora made a statement that it'll buy subscription from the windows
+</I>&gt;<i> key in
+</I>&gt;<i> their installer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a PITA, but also quite sad.
+</I>Maybe the price for a key like this will become to high, and a projects
+(like mageia that live only with donations and will not be chained on
+one company) can't buy this price and must die. So the only was live in
+the furthure ist M$?
+
+Norbert
+registered translator in the mageia project
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:28:47 +0200, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m wrote:
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+&gt;<i> This form doesn't work.
+</I>
+ I assume because (like me) you are not a member of the FSF.
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+--
+/\/\aurice
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+<PRE>On Thursday 07 Jun 2012 15:44:29 Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:28:47 +0200, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This form doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I assume because (like me) you are not a member of the FSF.
+</I>Worked for me and i'm a member
+--
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+
+Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and
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+ <B>David W. Hodgins</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:43:12 -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I wonder how they can exist in RAM given the total size of the tmpfs
+</I>&gt;<i> partitions is almost double the installed RAM of the computer.
+</I>
+Sorry, should have said virtual memory, rather then just ram,
+as a tmpfs may reside in ram, or in the swap.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 05:43 -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 01 Jun 2012 17:22 my mailbox was graced by a message from David W.
+</I>&gt;<i> Hodgins who wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; They are tmpfs filesystems, which by definition means they exist in ram
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how they can exist in RAM given the total size of the tmpfs
+</I>&gt;<i> partitions is almost double the installed RAM of the computer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Soy, until I can make sense of this stuff, it is back to Mageia 1.
+</I>
+How will that help you fix your script? :-)
+
+Check with df -h to see you get sane values. A tmpfs partition won't use
+more memory than the &quot;used&quot; portion. Your script should of course be
+using the device part of the df output...
+
+Liam
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+Quin who wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Soy, until I can make sense of this stuff, it is back to Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How will that help you fix your script? :-)
+</I>
+It will because in M1 df only shows partition use relating to the physical
+drives listed in /dev/ .
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
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+ but because people refuse to see it.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will because in M1 df only shows partition use relating to the physical
+</I>&gt;<i> drives listed in /dev/ .
+</I>
+I just remembered another part of the reason for the difference
+in what is displayed.
+
+Mageia 2 is following the upstream recommendations to replace
+/etc/mtab with a symlink to /proc/mounts,
+
+If you replace /etc/mtab with the symlink in Mageia 1, you'll
+see similar output from df, with the exception that it doesn't
+have the tmpfs filesystems added for systemd.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<LI><A HREF="007718.html">[Mageia-discuss] Stand up for your freedom to install free software - perhaps OT
+</A><A NAME="7718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
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+<LI><A HREF="007719.html">[Mageia-discuss] Stand up for your freedom to install free software - perhaps OT
+</A><A NAME="7719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Norbert Marchl
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+<LI><A HREF="007720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Stand up for your freedom to install free software - perhaps OT
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+<I>Maurice Batey
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+<LI><A HREF="007721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Stand up for your freedom to install free software - perhaps OT
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+<I>John Bowden
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+<LI><A HREF="007722.html">[Mageia-discuss] File systems ?
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+<I>David W. Hodgins
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+<LI><A HREF="007723.html">[Mageia-discuss] File systems ?
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+<I>Liam R E Quin
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+<LI><A HREF="007724.html">[Mageia-discuss] File systems ?
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
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+<LI><A HREF="007725.html">[Mageia-discuss] File systems ?
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+<I>David W. Hodgins
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