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+ <B>David Taylor</B>
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+<PRE>Don't know how exactly to report this as a bug or if it has been.
+
+I run dual monitors with separate x-sessions.
+
+I've kept my 'cauldron' partition fully updated and until todays updates
+gnome has always given me a totally solid blue screen on both monitors, and
+the .gnome2 folder had no entries.
+
+Following todays updates my main monitor appears as seen at
+pwx.gen.nz/snapshot1.png (this shot is of gnome login). (Gnome classic is
+the same). The second monitor has the blue stripes filling the whole screen
+with the panels at top and bottom empty. The panels could not be configured.
+
+Unable to get a screenshot of monitor 2.
+
+Can someone give me a clue as to how to report this as a bug, ie against
+what part on gnome, or if there is a bug on this already what's the bug
+report number.
+
+
+TIA
+
+.-.-.-.-.-.-.
+
+David Taylor, Puniho
+'the place to be; beneath the Mountain, beside the Sea'
+<A HREF="http://www.pwx.gen.nz">http://www.pwx.gen.nz</A>
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+whose computer uses linux/open source software, featuring
+Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586, kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop-10.mga
+Uptime 13 min
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+ <B>Phil</B>
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+ <I>Sat Apr 7 01:10:39 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+I've been happy with Backup Drake, which doesn't seem to be available
+through the Mageia repositories, ever since Mandrake 7.1. I see there
+are several backup utilities available, what do other users recommend
+for the home hobbyist?
+
+--
+Regards,
+Phil
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 06 april 2012 23:09:25 schreef Josh King (dotmil):
+[...]
+&gt;<i> That's kind of what I'm thinking. The question is how are these
+</I>&gt;<i> redistributable? I hope someone who more Xen-foo than I can shed some
+</I>&gt;<i> light on how we could make these readily available to be added as domU
+</I>&gt;<i> images, or is there such a need?
+</I>
+well, depending on how you usually do this for the VPS offering...
+
+A) you could do a kickstart install depending on parameters
+
+B) or just install once, copy it as a template and whenever needed, you can
+copy this image and make the necessary password changes.
+
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+<PRE>On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 01:24:04PM +1200, David Taylor wrote:
+&gt;<i> I run dual monitors with separate x-sessions.
+</I>
+Which resolutions? And nvidia binary driver?
+
+The screenshot seems weird, like the background is broken? This really
+the case?
+
+&gt;<i> I've kept my 'cauldron' partition fully updated and until todays updates
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome has always given me a totally solid blue screen on both monitors, and
+</I>&gt;<i> the .gnome2 folder had no entries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following todays updates my main monitor appears as seen at
+</I>&gt;<i> pwx.gen.nz/snapshot1.png (this shot is of gnome login). (Gnome classic is
+</I>&gt;<i> the same). The second monitor has the blue stripes filling the whole screen
+</I>&gt;<i> with the panels at top and bottom empty. The panels could not be configured.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unable to get a screenshot of monitor 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone give me a clue as to how to report this as a bug, ie against
+</I>&gt;<i> what part on gnome, or if there is a bug on this already what's the bug
+</I>&gt;<i> report number.
+</I>
+GDM+GNOME3 background was changed by me in
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4419">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4419</A>
+
+Only checked in GDM, but seemed to work fine.
+
+Can you select a different background in System Settings and report what
+that does?
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+
+Le 2012-04-06 19:10, Phil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been happy with Backup Drake, which doesn't seem to be available
+</I>&gt;<i> through the Mageia repositories, ever since Mandrake 7.1. I see there
+</I>&gt;<i> are several backup utilities available, what do other users recommend
+</I>&gt;<i> for the home hobbyist?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I use LuckyBackup which is found on the Mageia repositories. The version
+in MCC is 0.4.6 but it was recently updated to v.0.4.7 on the
+LuckyBackup website.[1] I installed this latest version by downloading
+the Mandriva 10.1 64bit version and it seems to be working fine so far.
+
+It uses the standard rsync for backing up but has a nice GUI and it does
+pretty well all types of backups that you would want to do. You just
+have to play around with it a bit to appreciate all of its settings.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
+[1] luckybackup.sourceforge.net
+
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+<PRE>I read that Mageia 2 will come with LibreOffice 3.5.1
+
+On a recent thread on the LibreOffice-Users list, it was pointed out that
+3.5.2 is still in development, and still has many bugs, and that for serious
+use one should stick with 3.4.6 which is more stable.
+
+Will / Can the rpms for 3.4.6 be made available in Mageia 2 for the users who
+need a stable version ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
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+ <B>Philippe DIDIER</B>
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+<PRE>bascule a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 05 April 2012 07:48:28 Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just try :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install snd-emu10k1-synth /sbin/modprobe --first-time --ignore-install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> snd-emu10k1-synth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install snd-emu10k1-synth /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1-synth
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for replying, sadly this didn't make any difference, i've also tried
+</I>&gt;<i> running
+</I>&gt;<i> #bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds
+</I>&gt;<i> becasue i read something about rebuilding the initramfs ?
+</I>&gt;<i> however i'm not really clued up on the specifics of the mageia boot process.
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway, i've now placed a simple
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/modprobe/ snd-emu10k1-synth
+</I>&gt;<i> in rc.local along with a soundfont load line and now i have midi after
+</I>&gt;<i> booting!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> bascule
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You may perhaps try an other way :
+It works with mandriva 2010.2 It may work with Mageia
+I can't verify it for now ... my computer for production use is still
+working with mandriva because of missing rpms in Mageia (aac encoding
+stuff)...
+and my experimental computer doesn't have a soundblaster card !
+
+
+I didn't use the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound
+
+but two files :
+/etc/modprobe.preload
+/etc/modprobe.conf
+
+I adapted them for you :
+
+/etc/modprobe.preload file (with something for realtime kernel that you
+can comment with a # if you don't use a real time kernel)
+-----------------------------------------------
+# /etc/modprobe.preload: kernel modules to load at boot time.
+#
+# This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are
+# to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with
+# a `#', and everything on the line after them are ignored.
+# this file is for module-init-tools (kernel 2.5 and above) ONLY
+# for old kernel use /etc/modules
+
+realtime mlock=1 gid=81
+
+snd-seq-midi-emul
+snd-seq-virmidi
+snd-emux-synth
+snd-emu10k1-synth
+---------------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+/etc/modprobe.conf file : (add these lines if they don't exist, and just
+modify the path to your soundfont file)
+------------------------------------------------------------
+alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
+alias sound-slot-0 snd_emu10k1
+options snd-emu10k1 index=0
+remove snd_emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --first-time -r --ignore-remove
+snd_emu10k1
+install snd_emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --first-time --ignore-install snd_emu10k1
+install snd-emu10k1-synth /sbin/modprobe --first-time --ignore-install
+snd-emu10k1-synth;/usr/bin/asfxload /etc/midi/8MBGMSCustom.sf2;
+
+alias snd-card-1 snd_via82xx
+alias sound-slot-1 snd_via82xx
+options snd-via82xx index=1
+-----------------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+Hope this will help !
+Philippe
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+<PRE>l&#246;rdagen den 7 april 2012 12.34.55 skrev Renaud (Ron) Olgiati:
+&gt;<i> I read that Mageia 2 will come with LibreOffice 3.5.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On a recent thread on the LibreOffice-Users list, it was pointed out that
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.5.2 is still in development, and still has many bugs, and that for
+</I>&gt;<i> serious use one should stick with 3.4.6 which is more stable.
+</I>
+I am using 3.5.1 for &quot;serious use&quot; although no complicated stuff.
+
+It happened that suddenly 3.4.x kept crashing when i copy/pasted in one of my
+old documents, possibly made with 3.2, and after manually installing 3.5.1 it
+worked all OK.
+
+So except for possibly having new bugs it also have at least one old bug fixed,
+and probably more...
+
+
+&gt;<i> Will / Can the rpms for 3.4.6 be made available in Mageia 2 for the users
+</I>&gt;<i> who need a stable version ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>
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+menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The result is
+that the original kernel remains the default and new kernels not used.
+Most of my systems are only accessed through ssh so I had no idea the
+new kernels weren't being used and this only came to my attention today
+when another update, probably dbus, broke the old kernel and hung all my
+boxes during reboot.
+
+I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that it
+would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but this may
+also be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a bug or
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+&gt;<i> I just discovered that when a new kernel package is installed the grub
+</I>&gt;<i> menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The result is
+</I>&gt;<i> that the original kernel remains the default and new kernels not used.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of my systems are only accessed through ssh so I had no idea the
+</I>&gt;<i> new kernels weren't being used and this only came to my attention
+</I>&gt;<i> today when another update, probably dbus, broke the old kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> hung all my boxes during reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> may also be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a bug or
+</I>&gt;<i> intended behavior?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Not so. The default uses the symlinks for vmlinuz and initrd which are
+version-independent, and the kernel install redefines them to point to
+the new kernel. The entry tacked on to the end uses the new versoins by
+name, and is there so that after the next new kernel comes along you'll
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+<PRE>On Saturday 07 Apr 2012 08:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Morgan
+Leijstr&#246;m who wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; I read that Mageia 2 will come with LibreOffice 3.5.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On a recent thread on the LibreOffice-Users list, it was pointed out that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3.5.2 is still in development, and still has many bugs, and that for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; serious use one should stick with 3.4.6 which is more stable.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I am using 3.5.1 for &quot;serious use&quot; although no complicated stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i> It happened that suddenly 3.4.x kept crashing when i copy/pasted in one of
+</I>&gt;<i> my old documents, possibly made with 3.2, and after manually installing
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.5.1 it worked all OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> So except for possibly having new bugs it also have at least one old bug
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed, and probably more...
+</I>
+I note that the LibreOffice download page advises 3.4.6 as the version that is
+&quot;safe to be deployed for production needs.&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Will / Can the rpms for 3.4.6 be made available in Mageia 2 for the users
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who need a stable version ?
+</I>
+???????
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Le client n'a jamais tort.
+ -- C&#233;sar Ritz
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+(Ron) Olgiati who wrote:
+&gt;<i> I note that the LibreOffice download page advises 3.4.6 as the version that
+</I>&gt;<i> is &quot;safe to be deployed for production needs.&quot;
+</I>
+Sorry, not the download, but the release notes page.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
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+
+Le 2012-04-07 06:34, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I read that Mageia 2 will come with LibreOffice 3.5.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On a recent thread on the LibreOffice-Users list, it was pointed out that
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.5.2 is still in development, and still has many bugs, and that for serious
+</I>&gt;<i> use one should stick with 3.4.6 which is more stable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will / Can the rpms for 3.4.6 be made available in Mageia 2 for the users who
+</I>&gt;<i> need a stable version ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>
+Version 3.5.2 was just released a couple of days ago. You may want to
+upgrade to this version. Hopefully the problems associated with 3.5.1
+have been ironed out. You can find the change logs here:
+
+<A HREF="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC1">http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC1</A> and
+<A HREF="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC2.">http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC2.</A>
+
+The 3.5.2 line is recommended for private users and small enterprises
+and should be a lot more stable than the previous version. The 3.4.6
+version is in its final version and will not see anymore updates as the
+devs are already working/planning out the 3.6.x version. And, as you
+mention, the 3.4.6 &quot;is safe to be deployed for production use&quot;.
+
+You can find the &quot;degree of reliability&quot; on the &quot;Release Notes&quot; page:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/">http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/</A>
+
+IMO, I would suggest going with the 3.5.2 version as I think there were
+more fixes and additions to the code than the previous version. With the
+rapid release cycle, version 3.5.3 will appear soon enough with more
+fixes and updates.
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Renaud Olgiati</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 07 Apr 2012 11:08 my mailbox was graced by a message from Marc
+Par&#233; who wrote:
+&gt;<i> Version 3.5.2 was just released a couple of days ago. You may want to
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade to this version. Hopefully the problems associated with 3.5.1
+</I>&gt;<i> have been ironed out. You can find the change logs here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC1">http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC1</A> and
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC2.">http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.2/RC2.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The 3.5.2 line is recommended for private users and small enterprises
+</I>&gt;<i> and should be a lot more stable than the previous version. The 3.4.6
+</I>&gt;<i> version is in its final version and will not see anymore updates as the
+</I>&gt;<i> devs are already working/planning out the 3.6.x version. And, as you
+</I>&gt;<i> mention, the 3.4.6 &quot;is safe to be deployed for production use&quot;.
+</I>
+What prompted my posting is recent (as &quot;in the last few days&quot;) discussions on
+the LO-Users list about some bad problems with 3.5.2.
+
+&gt;<i> IMO, I would suggest going with the 3.5.2 version as I think there were
+</I>&gt;<i> more fixes and additions to the code than the previous version. With the
+</I>&gt;<i> rapid release cycle, version 3.5.3 will appear soon enough with more
+</I>&gt;<i> fixes and updates.
+</I>
+I would rather wait till 3.5.3 (or later) before I make the move; Dont want to
+risk my data.
+
+Za+
+
+Renaud.
+--
+ Paranoia doesn't mean
+ the whole world isn't out to get you.
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am using 3.5.1 for &quot;serious use&quot; although no complicated stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It happened that suddenly 3.4.x kept crashing when i copy/pasted in one of my
+</I>&gt;<i> old documents, possibly made with 3.2, and after manually installing 3.5.1 it
+</I>&gt;<i> worked all OK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So except for possibly having new bugs it also have at least one old bug fixed,
+</I>&gt;<i> and probably more...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>FWIW, I had problems with Mageia 1's Libreoffice 3.4.4 Calc crashing if
+I tried to move a block of cells with the mouse. Might be a related bug,
+I suppose. The solution for my problem was to remove the libreoffice-kde
+integration package. Apparently, there were several instabilities
+related to that package, and its function is more for looks than for
+utility.
+
+It may have been fixed for LO 3.5.x. I wouldn't know.
+
+TJ
+
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+&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 08:51 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just discovered that when a new kernel package is installed the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grub menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> result is that the original kernel remains the default and new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernels not used. Most of my systems are only accessed through ssh so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had no idea the new kernels weren't being used and this only came
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to my attention today when another update, probably dbus, broke the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> old kernel and hung all my boxes during reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this may also be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bug or intended behavior?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not so. The default uses the symlinks for vmlinuz and initrd which
+</I>&gt;<i> are version-independent, and the kernel install redefines them to
+</I>&gt;<i> point to the new kernel. The entry tacked on to the end uses the new
+</I>&gt;<i> versoins by name, and is there so that after the next new kernel comes
+</I>&gt;<i> along you'll have an entry to boot this one if you need to.
+</I>
+So the first and last menu entry are the same most recent version? Then
+this is probably a bug since the symlink entry won't boot but the entry
+at the bottom that lists the version by name boots fine.
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+<PRE>On Saturday, April 07, 2012 09:15:59 AM TJ wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 07:35 AM, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am using 3.5.1 for &quot;serious use&quot; although no complicated stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It happened that suddenly 3.4.x kept crashing when i copy/pasted in one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of my old documents, possibly made with 3.2, and after manually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installing 3.5.1 it worked all OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So except for possibly having new bugs it also have at least one old bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fixed, and probably more...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, I had problems with Mageia 1's Libreoffice 3.4.4 Calc crashing if
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to move a block of cells with the mouse. Might be a related bug,
+</I>&gt;<i> I suppose. The solution for my problem was to remove the libreoffice-kde
+</I>&gt;<i> integration package. Apparently, there were several instabilities
+</I>&gt;<i> related to that package, and its function is more for looks than for
+</I>&gt;<i> utility.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may have been fixed for LO 3.5.x. I wouldn't know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TJ
+</I>
+Could you describe it a little more in details and I will try to test it.
+--
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/4/7 imnotpc &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">imnotpc at rock3d.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 09:35 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 08:51 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just discovered that when a new kernel package is installed the grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The result is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the original kernel remains the default and new kernels not used. Most of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems are only accessed through ssh so I had no idea the new kernels
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> weren't being used and this only came to my attention today when another
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update, probably dbus, broke the old kernel and hung all my boxes during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but this may also
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a bug or intended
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behavior?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not so. &#160;The default uses the symlinks for vmlinuz and initrd which are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version-independent, and the kernel install redefines them to point to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new kernel. &#160;The entry tacked on to the end uses the new versoins by name,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and is there so that after the next new kernel comes along you'll have an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> entry to boot this one if you need to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the first and last menu entry are the same most recent version? Then this
+</I>&gt;<i> is probably a bug since the symlink entry won't boot but the entry at the
+</I>&gt;<i> bottom that lists the version by name boots fine.
+</I>
+Then something went wrong during installation of the new kernel. Could
+you please show the output of
+
+$ ls -l /boot
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On 04/07/2012 12:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/4/7 imnotpc&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">imnotpc at rock3d.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 09:35 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 08:51 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just discovered that when a new kernel package is installed the grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The result is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the original kernel remains the default and new kernels not used. Most of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems are only accessed through ssh so I had no idea the new kernels
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> weren't being used and this only came to my attention today when another
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update, probably dbus, broke the old kernel and hung all my boxes during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but this may also
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a bug or intended
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behavior?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not so. The default uses the symlinks for vmlinuz and initrd which are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version-independent, and the kernel install redefines them to point to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new kernel. The entry tacked on to the end uses the new versoins by name,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and is there so that after the next new kernel comes along you'll have an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entry to boot this one if you need to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So the first and last menu entry are the same most recent version? Then this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is probably a bug since the symlink entry won't boot but the entry at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bottom that lists the version by name boots fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then something went wrong during installation of the new kernel. Could
+</I>&gt;<i> you please show the output of
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ ls -l /boot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I don't think it effects this output, but just so you know I deleted
+most of the unused entries from the grub menu and moved the most recent
+version to the top so it would boot again if there was a power failure.
+The curious thing is I expected vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2 to be here
+but it isn't. This box has received every update that has come out.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> jalaramie]# ls -l /boot
+total 20792
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 Apr 7 08:14 boot.backup.sda
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 7 08:17 config -&gt;
+config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135041 Feb 16 09:36 config-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 136931 Apr 4 06:15 config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 21 19:03 dracut/
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 537088 Apr 3 14:22 gfxmenu*
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 7 08:14 grub/
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5715971 Apr 3 14:22 initrd-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2.img
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5733762 Apr 5 07:32 initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 5 07:32 initrd-desktop.img -&gt;
+initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 164560 Feb 16 09:36 symvers-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2.xz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 167956 Apr 4 06:15 symvers-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.xz
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 5 07:38 System.map -&gt;
+System.map-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1666973 Feb 16 09:36 System.map-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1688349 Apr 4 06:15 System.map-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Apr 5 07:32 vmlinuz -&gt;
+vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2645840 Feb 16 09:36 vmlinuz-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2663648 Apr 4 06:15 vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Apr 5 07:32 vmlinuz-desktop -&gt;
+vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+
+I checked this different box and it has entries for
+vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2 and it also boots fine from the symlink entry:
+
+ [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Admin1</A> jalaramie]# ls -l /boot
+total 30272
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 Apr 7 12:31 boot.backup.hdb
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 Mar 23 12:37 boot.backup.sda
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 Mar 23 12:10 boot.backup.sdb
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 7 13:33 config -&gt;
+config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 129667 Apr 2 20:00 config-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 129667 Apr 4 05:45 config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 21 19:03 dracut/
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 537088 Apr 3 13:57 gfxmenu*
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 7 12:31 grub/
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6735357 Apr 5 10:59 initrd-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2.img
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6733158 Apr 5 10:59 initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 5 07:32 initrd-desktop.img -&gt;
+initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 5 07:32 initrd.img -&gt;
+initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6569876 Apr 3 13:57 initrd.img.old
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 167668 Apr 2 20:00 symvers-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2.xz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 167668 Apr 4 05:45 symvers-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.xz
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 5 07:37 System.map -&gt;
+System.map-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2165824 Apr 2 20:00 System.map-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2165824 Apr 4 05:45 System.map-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Apr 5 07:32 vmlinuz -&gt;
+vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2731232 Apr 2 20:00 vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2731072 Apr 4 05:45 vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Apr 5 07:32 vmlinuz-desktop -&gt;
+vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
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+<PRE>07.04.2012 20:59, imnotpc skrev:
+&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 12:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/4/7 imnotpc&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">imnotpc at rock3d.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 09:35 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 08:51 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just discovered that when a new kernel package is installed the grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The result is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the original kernel remains the default and new kernels not used. Most of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems are only accessed through ssh so I had no idea the new kernels
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> weren't being used and this only came to my attention today when another
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update, probably dbus, broke the old kernel and hung all my boxes during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but this may also
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a bug or intended
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behavior?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not so. The default uses the symlinks for vmlinuz and initrd which are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version-independent, and the kernel install redefines them to point to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new kernel. The entry tacked on to the end uses the new versoins by name,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and is there so that after the next new kernel comes along you'll have an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entry to boot this one if you need to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the first and last menu entry are the same most recent version? Then this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is probably a bug since the symlink entry won't boot but the entry at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bottom that lists the version by name boots fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then something went wrong during installation of the new kernel. Could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you please show the output of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ ls -l /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it effects this output, but just so you know I deleted
+</I>&gt;<i> most of the unused entries from the grub menu and moved the most recent
+</I>&gt;<i> version to the top so it would boot again if there was a power failure.
+</I>&gt;<i> The curious thing is I expected vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2 to be here
+</I>&gt;<i> but it isn't. This box has received every update that has come out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> jalaramie]# ls -l /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> total 20792
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 Apr 7 08:14 boot.backup.sda
+</I>&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 7 08:17 config -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135041 Feb 16 09:36 config-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 136931 Apr 4 06:15 config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 21 19:03 dracut/
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 537088 Apr 3 14:22 gfxmenu*
+</I>&gt;<i> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 7 08:14 grub/
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5715971 Apr 3 14:22 initrd-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5733762 Apr 5 07:32 initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 5 07:32 initrd-desktop.img -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>
+You are missing the symlink initrd.img -&gt; initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+
+that is used on default setups...
+
+--
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+<PRE>2012/4/7 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 07.04.2012 20:59, imnotpc skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 12:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/4/7 imnotpc&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">imnotpc at rock3d.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 09:35 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 08:51 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just discovered that when a new kernel package is installed the grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The result is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the original kernel remains the default and new kernels not used. Most of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems are only accessed through ssh so I had no idea the new kernels
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> weren't being used and this only came to my attention today when another
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update, probably dbus, broke the old kernel and hung all my boxes during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but this may also
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a bug or intended
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behavior?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not so. &#160;The default uses the symlinks for vmlinuz and initrd which are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version-independent, and the kernel install redefines them to point to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new kernel. &#160;The entry tacked on to the end uses the new versoins by name,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and is there so that after the next new kernel comes along you'll have an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entry to boot this one if you need to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the first and last menu entry are the same most recent version? Then this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is probably a bug since the symlink entry won't boot but the entry at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bottom that lists the version by name boots fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then something went wrong during installation of the new kernel. Could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you please show the output of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ ls -l /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think it effects this output, but just so you know I deleted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most of the unused entries from the grub menu and moved the most recent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version to the top so it would boot again if there was a power failure.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The curious thing is I expected vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2 to be here
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but it isn't. This box has received every update that has come out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> jalaramie]# ls -l /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> total 20792
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root &#160; &#160; 440 Apr &#160;7 08:14 boot.backup.sda
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root &#160; &#160; &#160;27 Apr &#160;7 08:17 config -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root &#160;135041 Feb 16 09:36 config-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root &#160;136931 Apr &#160;4 06:15 config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root &#160; &#160;4096 Mar 21 19:03 dracut/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root &#160;537088 Apr &#160;3 14:22 gfxmenu*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root &#160; &#160;4096 Apr &#160;7 08:14 grub/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5715971 Apr &#160;3 14:22 initrd-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5733762 Apr &#160;5 07:32 initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root &#160; &#160; &#160;31 Apr &#160;5 07:32 initrd-desktop.img -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are missing the symlink initrd.img -&gt; initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i> that is used on default setups...
+</I>
+Yes, that's what I wanted to see the listing for.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On 04/07/2012 02:07 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> 07.04.2012 20:59, imnotpc skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 12:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/4/7 imnotpc&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">imnotpc at rock3d.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 09:35 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 08:51 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just discovered that when a new kernel package is installed the grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menu entry is added to the bottom rather than the top. The result is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the original kernel remains the default and new kernels not used. Most of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems are only accessed through ssh so I had no idea the new kernels
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> weren't being used and this only came to my attention today when another
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update, probably dbus, broke the old kernel and hung all my boxes during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would think that if you install an update the expectation is that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be used by default. I haven't had time to check yet, but this may also
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be the cause of other bugs I've been having. Is this a bug or intended
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behavior?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not so. The default uses the symlinks for vmlinuz and initrd which are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version-independent, and the kernel install redefines them to point to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new kernel. The entry tacked on to the end uses the new versoins by name,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and is there so that after the next new kernel comes along you'll have an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entry to boot this one if you need to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the first and last menu entry are the same most recent version? Then this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is probably a bug since the symlink entry won't boot but the entry at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bottom that lists the version by name boots fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then something went wrong during installation of the new kernel. Could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you please show the output of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ ls -l /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think it effects this output, but just so you know I deleted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most of the unused entries from the grub menu and moved the most recent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version to the top so it would boot again if there was a power failure.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The curious thing is I expected vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2 to be here
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but it isn't. This box has received every update that has come out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> jalaramie]# ls -l /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> total 20792
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 Apr 7 08:14 boot.backup.sda
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 7 08:17 config -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135041 Feb 16 09:36 config-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 136931 Apr 4 06:15 config-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 21 19:03 dracut/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 537088 Apr 3 14:22 gfxmenu*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 7 08:14 grub/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5715971 Apr 3 14:22 initrd-3.2.6-desktop-3.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5733762 Apr 5 07:32 initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 5 07:32 initrd-desktop.img -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i> You are missing the symlink initrd.img -&gt; initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that is used on default setups...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+I found this in the system log for this box:
+
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: HDIO_GETGEO on /dev/sda succeeded: heads=255 sectors=63 cylinders=9729 start=0
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: id2hd: 0x0007920f=&gt;sda
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: id2edd: 0x0007920f=&gt;/sys/firmware/edd/int13_dev80
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: geometry_from_edd sda 0x0007920f: 9729/255/63
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: test_for_bad_drives(/dev/sda on sector #62)
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: running: blkid -o udev -p /dev/sda
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: running: blkid -o udev -p /dev/sda
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: found a dos partition table on /dev/sda at sector 0
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: guess_geometry_from_partition_table sda: 9729/255/63
+Apr 5 07:31:32 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: running: blkid -o udev -p /dev/sda1
+Apr 5 07:31:33 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: blkid gave: swap 9b788175-efe0-41a6-8220-8c3e4b7e0dd4
+Apr 5 07:31:33 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: running: blkid -o udev -p /dev/sda5
+Apr 5 07:31:33 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: blkid gave: ext4 3d52f62b-fb08-4018-b0e5-5c792022be76
+Apr 5 07:31:33 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: running: blkid -o udev -p /dev/sda6
+Apr 5 07:31:33 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: blkid gave: ext4 143f3efc-a8da-4470-819e-94b6d1342ef2
+Apr 5 07:31:34 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: perImageAppend is now splash quiet resume=UUID=9b788175-efe0-41a6-8220-8c3e4b7e0dd4
+Apr 5 07:31:34 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+Apr 5 07:31:34 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: running: mkinitrd -f /boot/initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img 3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+Apr 5 07:32:00 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: running: /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/make-boot-splash /boot/initrd-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2.img 800
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: ERROR: /boot/initrd.img is not a symbolic link
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: replacing /boot/vmlinuz with /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2 for bootloader label linux
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: entries linux do not have same kernel_or_dev: /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2 ne /boot/vmlinuz
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: entries desktop 3.3.1-1.mga2 do not have same initrd: /boot/initrd-3.3.1-desktop-1.mga2.img ne /boot/initrd.img
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: current labels: linux linux-nonfb failsafe desktop 3.2.6-3.mga2 desktop 3.3.1-1.mga2 alt_desktop 3.3.1-1.mga2
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.1-desktop-2.mga2
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: current labels: linux linux-nonfb failsafe desktop 3.2.6-3.mga2 desktop 3.3.1-1.mga2 alt_desktop 3.3.1-1.mga2 desktop 3.3.1-2.mga2
+Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: writing grub config to /boot/grub/menu.lst
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>07.04.2012 21:10, imnotpc skrev:
+&gt;<i> Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: ERROR: /boot/initrd.img is not a symbolic link
+</I>
+Yep, so your systems got hit by a bug in bootsplash package that got
+fixed in 3.3.8-1.mga2
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+So if you recreated that symlink it should work ok after this...
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+&gt;<i> 07.04.2012 21:10, imnotpc skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Apr 5 07:32:10 Cedar1 bootloader-config[12407]: ERROR: /boot/initrd.img is not a symbolic link
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, so your systems got hit by a bug in bootsplash package that got
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed in 3.3.8-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you recreated that symlink it should work ok after this...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+Very good. Thanks for the help.
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+&gt;<i> So the first and last menu entry are the same most recent version? Then
+</I>&gt;<i> this is probably a bug since the symlink entry won't boot but the entry
+</I>&gt;<i> at the bottom that lists the version by name boots fine.
+</I>
+Do the symlinks /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd.img exist?
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+<PRE>On 04/07/2012 12:21 PM, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, April 07, 2012 09:15:59 AM TJ wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/07/2012 07:35 AM, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am using 3.5.1 for &quot;serious use&quot; although no complicated stuff.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It happened that suddenly 3.4.x kept crashing when i copy/pasted in one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of my old documents, possibly made with 3.2, and after manually
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installing 3.5.1 it worked all OK.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So except for possibly having new bugs it also have at least one old bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fixed, and probably more...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FWIW, I had problems with Mageia 1's Libreoffice 3.4.4 Calc crashing if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to move a block of cells with the mouse. Might be a related bug,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suppose. The solution for my problem was to remove the libreoffice-kde
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> integration package. Apparently, there were several instabilities
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> related to that package, and its function is more for looks than for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> utility.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It may have been fixed for LO 3.5.x. I wouldn't know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you describe it a little more in details and I will try to test it.
+</I>
+Sure. All I did was select a group of cells with the mouse. Then,
+left-click on the group and hold while moving the mouse to shift the
+selected cells to another location. In 3.4.4, Calc crashed as soon as I
+attempted the last step. Every time. After libreoffice-kde was removed,
+it didn't crash anymore.
+
+I read online where other crashes occurred with 3.4.4, and maybe 3.4.5,
+under different circumstances in other distros, and removing
+libreoffice-kde eliminated them, but I don't remember specifics now.
+
+TJ
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+ <B>Tony Blackwell</B>
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+ <I>Sat Apr 7 22:18:27 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Not getting very far at all with M2beta2 x86_64. Similar problems on 2
+machines, one laptop one desktop, both of them 4 yrs old or so. md5 of
+the install disk is OK.
+
+1. Choosing lilo at install always results in failure to boot. The
+system sits frozen showing boot linux message. Looking at the system
+via M1 from another partition showed syslog had not been created yet (at
+least on the laptop after 1st failed lilo boot - its there on desktop
+after several reboots)
+
+2. re-running the whole install as new install, keeping everything the
+same, but choosing grub results in a bootable beta2. I then select
+update all sources and allow this to complete. Then select update your
+system, it updates glibc and a short list of other things, then
+terminates silently; I'd expected it would come back with an extended
+list of packages to update. Re-running update manually, MCC brings up
+the 'Please wait' sliding progress bar, then immediately above it &quot;A
+fatal error occurred: Couldn't open RPM DB () at
+/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14.2/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm line 74..&quot;
+
+i.e. I either can't boot it with lilo or can't update it if I got it up
+via grub.
+
+3. Related prblem I guess. Going in via MCC, vi hardware, to set
+screen stuff has been very flakey. It now tells me needs to install
+task-x11. OK-ing this gives a brief note about preparing packages
+installation, results in failure &quot;unable to open rpmdb&quot;
+
+I'm chasing around in circles with this. Do I need to put these in
+separate critical bug reports?
+tonyb
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+<LI><A HREF="006904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
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+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Philippe DIDIER
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+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Egg-bot robot try to reproduce Mageia logo&quot;
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+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+<I>Renaud Olgiati
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
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+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+</A><A NAME="6884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
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+<LI><A HREF="006901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
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+<I>TJ
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+</A><A NAME="6910">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="006883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Gnome in fully updated Cauldron (Beta2)
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+<I>David Taylor
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+<I>Maarten Vanraes
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+<I>Olav Vitters
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+<LI><A HREF="006887.html">[Mageia-discuss] Backup question
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+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+</A><A NAME="6888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
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+<LI><A HREF="006890.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<LI><A HREF="006889.html">[Mageia-discuss] snd-emu10k1-synth module problem
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+<I>Philippe DIDIER
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+</A><A NAME="6891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
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+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Egg-bot robot try to reproduce Mageia logo&quot;
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+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+<LI><A HREF="006893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
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+</A><A NAME="6894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
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+<I>TJ
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+<I>imnotpc
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>imnotpc
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+<I>Tony Blackwell
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+<I>David W. Hodgins
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+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Egg-bot robot try to reproduce Mageia logo&quot;
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+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+<LI><A HREF="006884.html">[Mageia-discuss] Backup question
+</A><A NAME="6884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="006887.html">[Mageia-discuss] Backup question
+</A><A NAME="6887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Backup question
+</A><A NAME="6896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006912.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes
+</A><A NAME="6912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="006893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="006902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<LI><A HREF="006903.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
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+</A><A NAME="6904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+</A><A NAME="6905">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="006906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
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+</A><A NAME="6907">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="006908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Gnome in fully updated Cauldron (Beta2)
+</A><A NAME="6883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Taylor
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006886.html">[Mageia-discuss] Gnome in fully updated Cauldron (Beta2)
+</A><A NAME="6886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006890.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006899.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Xen Images
+</A><A NAME="6885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006889.html">[Mageia-discuss] snd-emu10k1-synth module problem
+</A><A NAME="6889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Apr 7 23:36:46 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Apr 8 00:46:17 CEST 2012</i>
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+ <h1>7 April 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Apr 7 01:10:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Apr 7 23:36:46 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 29<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01333753839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006884.html">[Mageia-discuss] Backup question
+</A><A NAME="6884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01333753839-01333794251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006887.html">[Mageia-discuss] Backup question
+</A><A NAME="6887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01333753839-01333794251-01333806906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Backup question
+</A><A NAME="6896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01333761844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Gnome in fully updated Cauldron (Beta2)
+</A><A NAME="6883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Taylor
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01333761844-01333792215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006886.html">[Mageia-discuss] Gnome in fully updated Cauldron (Beta2)
+</A><A NAME="6886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01333782991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Xen Images
+</A><A NAME="6885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01333794895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01333794895-01333798546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006890.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01333794895-01333798546-01333805850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01333794895-01333798546-01333805850-01333806539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01333794895-01333798546-01333815359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006899.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01333794895-01333798546-01333815359-01333815713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333794895-01333798546-01333815359-01333815713-01333834606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01333794895-01333807684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01333794895-01333807684-01333808710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Libreoffice
+</A><A NAME="6898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud Olgiati
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01333799588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006889.html">[Mageia-discuss] snd-emu10k1-synth module problem
+</A><A NAME="6889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01333803088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01333803088-01333805754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333816995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333816995-01333821559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006903.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333816995-01333821559-01333822045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333816995-01333821559-01333822045-01333822163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333816995-01333821559-01333822045-01333822258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333816995-01333821559-01333822045-01333822258-01333823360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333816995-01333821559-01333822045-01333822258-01333823360-01333825437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333803088-01333805754-01333815393-01333831325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bug or Feature?
+</A><A NAME="6909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01333804225- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Egg-bot robot try to reproduce Mageia logo&quot;
+</A><A NAME="6892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01333829907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006912.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes
+</A><A NAME="6912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Apr 7 23:36:46 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Apr 8 00:46:17 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
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