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At that time, +everything bursts out of you. + +If you ask me, the first way is by far the better solution, because you +don't achieve anything with the second way, except perhaps, do further +damage to some the group you are part of and you are working with. + +As I see it, there are two things, that went wrong: +- The board election (that should not have been done by the council, +better said, in which the council has no vote, which makes the election +of yesterday void. +I know, I was asking for an election, because I do think even if you +only have two candidates for two positions, it's important to vote upon +them, because if you take a position like that, you have to know, you +have some backing up ba the group you represent. Actually I do prefer +elections with more candidates then positions, so there really is a choice. +I did not consider that not all members of the current council are +association members and that not all association members are in council, +so let's do it right, ask the association members (by mail, we don't +need a secret election here, do we?) and get over this. Solved! +- It's not really clear, what the board is for and what it is not for: +well, (saying, that I don't know French law and can only say it as I see +it from my german perspective. +Looking at <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org</A> the board has the following +responsibilities: + - being in charge of the Mageia properties (hardware,...) + - leading the association according to the rules of the law (calling +for the AG, giving reports there,...) + - conflict resolution (mainly conflicts the council can't handle) + - keeping the core values of the project + - council and teams coordination +What the board is not for is the daily work of the project. This is the +council's and the teams' duty. +As I see it the boards duties are more a kind of an oversight commitee, +that has to act, when things go wrong but otherwise doesn't meddle in +the council's work. +When it comes to decisions regarding e.g the finances, the council can +still discuss it but the board has to approve. +What should be done better in the future is having regular reports of +the assciation work done by the board. So people do know what's happening. + +Coming back to the situation at hand, I think Michael is an important +and valuable member of the project and I do remember, there were quite +some issues in the past, he gave us valuable advices, because we did not +see the problems in the first place. E.g. if you think about the tainted +nonfree things. +Next to that he is someone always diving into problems and solving them. +So I would really hate it, if he should really resign from his +positions, since we do need him, being it as sysadmin, as developer or +as someone with a very clear view on the neccesities of a FLOSS project. + +So I ask misc to reconsider his decision. So that all of us may take +some time to adjust some processes and the organization so that we can +improve it for the coming years. + +And I ask any person involved in Mageia to be prepared to accept a +majority decision as well. +The only thing we can improve there is transparency on these decisions. +But for now, except for some private mails, all was done on IRC or +public ML with available archives. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Board dissolution proposal +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006722.html">[Mageia-discuss] [board-public] Board dissolution proposal +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6721">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6721">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6721">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6721">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |