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As Anssi said, before the handbooks came bundled +</I>>><i> >>> with the owner package, so they were also being installed. So +</I>>><i> >>> bandwidth wise, is still the same as before the splitting. +</I>>><i> >>> +</I>>><i> >> I haven't looked into it, but perhaps we could install those handbooks +</I>>><i> >> as Suggests instead of Requires (or is it already done that way?). +</I>>><i> >> Then people wanting to save bandwidth could just install using +</I>>><i> >> "--no-suggests". +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > I don't agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be +</I>>><i> > installed, and shouldn't be removed. A kde install without handbooks is +</I>>><i> > a +</I>>><i> > damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue to +</I>>><i> > work on handbooks if each distrib don't install its work? +</I>>><i> > That's why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component should +</I>>><i> > *requires* its handbook (but probably it won't work with LiveCD). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the +</I>>><i> KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake +</I>>><i> "good to have" for "must have". I'm using KDE but only few KDE +</I>>><i> applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail +</I>>><i> when I don't even install these applications? I would happily +</I>>><i> de-install such handbooks as I regularly unmark grub-doc and similar +</I>>><i> packages from installation. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In your previous reply to Juergen you also showed that you +</I>>><i> misunderstood his wish for Mageia documentation. It is good and +</I>>><i> important that documentation is available if needed. But it must not +</I>>><i> be forced on those who don't want/need it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I may add that I have been involved in documentation writing and +</I>>><i> translating for almost 7 years. But I never thought that users must +</I>>><i> use it if they don't need it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree that documentation has to be available with the application i use. +</I>><i> While i use the program and i need more infos i press F1. If the handbook it +</I>><i> is not available what i will have ? A message informs me that the doc is +</I>><i> missing or it has to be installed manualy? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As when you get any product it comes with its manual, i believe that the +</I>><i> handbook of an application is a must have, and an application should never +</I>><i> be installed without its documentation. +</I> +You are right with the criterium "an application I use". But here we +are talking about handbooks of every single little KDE app being +forced upon the user, whether he wants/needs it or not. +Same as the examples grub-doc or qt-doc - an average user will never +need them and he can unmark them in package selection.. + +As for KDE I strongly suggest to have handbooks not required but all +KDE handbooks in one package, to be installed by default on a standard +KDE system but to be selectable in individual package selection - just +like with the other handbooks (Gimp, qt, etc.). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006692.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6693">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6693">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6693">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6693">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |