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+ <B>Gary Montalbine</B>
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+<PRE>Thank you. Gary
+
+On 02/13/2012 03:45 PM, Henrik Christiansen wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 2012-02-13 19:46, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have firefox set to open in desktop 2 regardless of what desktop I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> am in. I want to do this to my wife's computer. However I can not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remember how I did it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the browser window, up in left corner there's a firefox icon.
+</I>&gt;<i> Click on it and
+</I>&gt;<i> Advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> Special Application Settings
+</I>&gt;<i> Geometry
+</I>&gt;<i> Mark in desktop and set settings as you want them.
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+<PRE>Am 13.02.2012 17:19, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i>And I also found there was some pages written on the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> without warning the one in charge of keeping the record working ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> that's a duplication from the ldap where I stored everything, I love
+</I>&gt;<i> when people do my work, but I really prefer when they tell me ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You are referring to which pages exactly?
+And if we don't want to have a duplication, we simply need a way to
+display those ldap contents somewhere:
+Because all of us, who are not sysadmin, have an equal right to be able
+to see that information, don't we?
+
+Oliver
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+<PRE>Following the good advice from Morgan (network install) I have now been
+able to make a clean install with all the latest updates and to go
+through all the steps I normally do to customize and verify my
+production system. A couple of interesting points, here is the lot:
+
+1. After this minimum install, I habe been unable to create media of
+type file (urpmi.addmedia): although urpmi had been correctly installed,
+genhdlist2 was missing - I guess a dependency of urpmi on genhdlist2 is
+missing.
+
+2. Korganizer installs and runs well, but importing an existing .vcs
+calendar does not work: Korganizer finds the file with the existing
+calendar, but then creates an empty new calendar of that name - does not
+import the contents of the existing calendar
+
+3. I was positively surprised: printer installation - often a problem
+with new releases - went quite well. Printer detection (hp laserjet MP 6
+on the parallel port and networked hp deskjet 6127) without any problem.
+However (for both), finding the driver was a funny business: took far
+too much time, and iterated between &quot;searching for driver&quot;, short flash
+of some other window, and again &quot;searching for driver&quot;, but with some
+patience the result turned out OK.
+
+4. Another positive surprise: both lighttpd and backuppc services got
+started as they should, no problem with systemd (except see 5)
+
+5. Service control with drkconf.real -&gt; System -&gt; Manage system services
+practically does not work. Start and Stop do not seem to have much
+effect (and no feedback on the running/stopped indication); but the &quot;On
+boot&quot; button seems to do what it is supposed to do). But the whole thing
+appears to be shaky, it happened ( once, I did not make an effort to
+reproduce the problem) that the services window came up with all &quot;On
+boot&quot; buttons unchecked - correct display after a re-boot. The service
+control facility of drakconf.real certainly still needs some debugging.
+I dont know whether the command-line alternative (/etc/inet.d/&lt;service&gt;
+&lt;action&gt; is still supposed to work under systemd, for the services I
+dealt with it does not.
+
+6. Several packages which use Gtk (started from a console) display an
+error message when they start: &quot;ldconfig: /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 is not
+a symbolic link&quot;
+
+7. The geda packages which I am maintaining (and which worked under
+Alpha 1 now throw - mostly Gtk and oxygen related - errors, I will have
+to re-dig and rebuild these packages). That may be a warning to other
+package maintainers who did their homework early: packages built under
+Alpha1 dont necessarily work any more.
+
+8. Sometime soon after boot, there is practically alway a notification
+popup saying &quot;Error while initializing DBus, Disabling the service&quot;
+
+9. System Shutdown is going from bad to worse - earlier, it most times
+just got stuck - now after some initial screen waggling, the desktop
+activates again. I have ended up to do &quot;reboot&quot; from Konsole.
+
+10. The random console switching problem is still there, but the
+workaround suggested is OK.
+
+11. KDE
+- the taskbar now has a vertically graded background - very light gray
+at its top, rather dark gray at its bottom - apparenly not configurable;
+the dark gray at the bottom results in far too little contrast with dark
+fonts and makes the lower part of the taskbar difficult to read, with
+light fonts the opposite - nice look, but user-unfriendly.
+
+- the titlebar (Oxygen) still has no colour, distinguishing the active
+window from inactive windows is still difficult
+
+- creating popup menu buttons in the taskbar still does not work - a
+show stopper for me.
+
+This using Alpha 3 in-spite of all took so much time that I now have to
+catch up with other stuff that got left behind - no time left for
+distilling these issues into bug reports. But I hope that this snapshot
+helps; and I will, as Marja suggested, make comments in the already
+existing bugzilla reports to clarify that the bugs are still open and,
+where adequate, insist on their importance.
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 09:27:59AM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote:
+&gt;<i> Following the good advice from Morgan (network install) I have now
+</I>&gt;<i> been able to make a clean install with all the latest updates and to
+</I>&gt;<i> go through all the steps I normally do to customize and verify my
+</I>&gt;<i> production system. A couple of interesting points, here is the lot:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. After this minimum install, I habe been unable to create media of
+</I>&gt;<i> type file (urpmi.addmedia): although urpmi had been correctly
+</I>&gt;<i> installed, genhdlist2 was missing - I guess a dependency of urpmi on
+</I>&gt;<i> genhdlist2 is missing.
+</I>
+Could you file a bug with the error message when genhdlist2 is missing?
+
+&gt;<i> 6. Several packages which use Gtk (started from a console) display
+</I>&gt;<i> an error message when they start: &quot;ldconfig: /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62
+</I>&gt;<i> is not a symbolic link&quot;
+</I>
+That is the only error message which is given? Are they gtk 2 or gtk 3
+applications. Could you try both gtk 2 and gtk 3 and file a bug please?
+Please cc me.
+
+&gt;<i> 7. The geda packages which I am maintaining (and which worked under
+</I>&gt;<i> Alpha 1 now throw - mostly Gtk and oxygen related - errors, I will
+</I>&gt;<i> have to re-dig and rebuild these packages). That may be a warning to
+</I>&gt;<i> other package maintainers who did their homework early: packages
+</I>&gt;<i> built under Alpha1 dont necessarily work any more.
+</I>
+Weird. Please file a bug.
+
+&gt;<i> 8. Sometime soon after boot, there is practically alway a
+</I>&gt;<i> notification popup saying &quot;Error while initializing DBus, Disabling
+</I>&gt;<i> the service&quot;
+</I>
+Popup in KDE you mean?
+
+&gt;<i> 10. The random console switching problem is still there, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> workaround suggested is OK.
+</I>
+Only in KDE?
+
+&gt;<i> 11. KDE
+</I>
+Don't care, sorry :P
+
+&gt;<i> This using Alpha 3 in-spite of all took so much time that I now have
+</I>&gt;<i> to catch up with other stuff that got left behind - no time left for
+</I>&gt;<i> distilling these issues into bug reports. But I hope that this
+</I>&gt;<i> snapshot helps; and I will, as Marja suggested, make comments in the
+</I>&gt;<i> already existing bugzilla reports to clarify that the bugs are still
+</I>&gt;<i> open and, where adequate, insist on their importance.
+</I>
+I'd still appreciate if you put anything gtk/gnome related in a
+bugreport. You do not need to check for duplicates, no need for a long
+description. I like a full error message (just copy paste).
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:25, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> And if we don't want to have a duplication, we simply need a way to display
+</I>&gt;<i> those ldap contents somewhere:
+</I>&gt;<i> Because all of us, who are not sysadmin, have an equal right to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> see that information, don't we?
+</I>
+So we're back to <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1045">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1045</A> (for
+which I have a draft here <A HREF="https://github.com/rdalverny/victor/">https://github.com/rdalverny/victor/</A> but
+this needs at least: caching the LDAP answers, the puppet config for
+deployment).
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+<PRE> &gt; Weird. Please file a bug.
+I will do my best - start with buying a bunch of flowers for my wife (-
+
+Please dont misunderstand my note: I wanted to draw a list of what a
+user sees in what is going to become the Beta release - principle reason
+is to allow double-checking that there are corresponding fixing
+activities going on, and have the right priority - far from wanting to rant.
+
+1. genhdlist2 dependency in urpmi. I will file a bug
+
+6. &quot;ldconfig: /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 is not a symbolic link&quot; message
+Yes, this is the only message that appears (and you only see it when the
+program is launched from a console. I think applications are gtk2.
+Digging into this will be work-intensive (fiddling with Gtk3 requires me
+to do some learning, particularly since I have only experience with perl
+Gtk - which presently means Gtk2. I will do this when time is left
+
+7. So far, no need to file a bug - that is still at the level of
+&quot;homework for the maintainer&quot; (I guess there has been quite some
+evolution of Gtk between the beginning of Alpha1 and today).
+
+The message I wanted to give is : &quot;I have done my work in November&quot; is
+not a guarantee that the packages somebody is maintaining will still
+work now.
+
+8. Dbus message: I am working with KDE, it is a KDE notification message
+- but does not look like the reason is KDE specific - I have not seen
+any bug reporting on this - will observe and file a bug if I get enough
+info to work upon - and would be interested if this is observed elsewhere
+
+10. random console switching: not KDE related - there is a long forum
+thread and a bug filed on this one - but the effect is extremely
+annoying for the user - this should be fixed before beta.
+Bugzilla 4170, forum url
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=1771">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=1771</A>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 14 f&#233;vrier 2012 &#224; 08:25 +0100, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 13.02.2012 17:19, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;And I also found there was some pages written on the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without warning the one in charge of keeping the record working ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's a duplication from the ldap where I stored everything, I love
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when people do my work, but I really prefer when they tell me ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> You are referring to which pages exactly?
+</I>
+Mainly this one
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Council">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Council</A>
+
+and
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Board">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Board</A>
+
+&gt;<i> And if we don't want to have a duplication, we simply need a way to
+</I>&gt;<i> display those ldap contents somewhere:
+</I>
+We know, and there is a bug and a project for that. Don't get me wrong,
+I do not mind to have it in the wiki for the time being ( or later ) and
+that's the simplest solution. But I do mind that the information there
+is incorrect, and that the person who should (IMHO) take care of keeping
+it accurate do not know that it should be done.
+
+For example of wrong info, I was elected deputy for packagers ( as
+written on <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging</A> , among others ), and
+not listed as such. There is no representative for sysadmin team
+( should be boklm, iirc, even if the page for sysadmin team was not
+filled, but I took care of gettin ).
+
+I do not care that people do errors, that happens, but we should aim for
+accuracy if we want to have it as reference.
+
+&gt;<i> Because all of us, who are not sysadmin, have an equal right to be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to see that information, don't we?
+</I>
+Since no one asked me for the information, I just thought it was not a
+priority ( but I can reorganize, it would just require to put some
+others thing that people have been asking to the end of the list ).
+
+Besides, the information is public since it was sent to various mls, and
+have been discussed in meeting, on irc. So there is a equal right to
+access the information, just not a practical one.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Oliver Burger wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Am 13.02.2012 17:19, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And I also found there was some pages written on the wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without warning the one in charge of keeping the record working ( ie,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's a duplication from the ldap where I stored everything, I love
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when people do my work, but I really prefer when they tell me ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are referring to which pages exactly?
+</I>&gt;<i> And if we don't want to have a duplication, we simply need a way to display
+</I>&gt;<i> those ldap contents somewhere:
+</I>&gt;<i> Because all of us, who are not sysadmin, have an equal right to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> see that information, don't we?
+</I>
+You can access this information with :
+$ ldapsearch -W -Z -h ldap.mageia.org -D uid=yourlogin,ou=People,dc=mageia,dc=org -b ou=Group,dc=mageia,dc=org
+
+(replacing &quot;yourlogin&quot; with your login)
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+<PRE>Am 14.02.2012 14:25, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 13.02.2012 17:19, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And I also found there was some pages written on the wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without warning the one in charge of keeping the record working ( ie,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that's a duplication from the ldap where I stored everything, I love
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> when people do my work, but I really prefer when they tell me ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You are referring to which pages exactly?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And if we don't want to have a duplication, we simply need a way to display
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those ldap contents somewhere:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because all of us, who are not sysadmin, have an equal right to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see that information, don't we?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can access this information with :
+</I>&gt;<i> $ ldapsearch -W -Z -h ldap.mageia.org -D uid=yourlogin,ou=People,dc=mageia,dc=org -b ou=Group,dc=mageia,dc=org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (replacing &quot;yourlogin&quot; with your login)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what you are doing and I could not do
+it. I simpy lack the knowledge.
+But shall we write that command line into the wiki? Aside from not working:
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oli at beteigeuze</A> avfs]$ ldapsearch -W -Z -h ldap.mageia.org -D
+uid=obgr_seneca,ou=People,dc=mageia,dc=org -b ou=Group,dc=mageia,dc=org
+ldap_start_tls: Connect error (-11)
+Enter LDAP Password:
+ldap_result: Can't contact LDAP server (-1)
+
+It is not something you can tell the public. And that's exactly what
+both of those wiki pages are there for. To inform the public!
+
+And both of those pages were there in the old wiki, too. As you can see
+here, they were imported from there:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_import_list#org">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_import_list#org</A>
+
+Oliver
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+ <I>Tue Feb 14 15:44:26 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Dear Mageia.org association member,
+( while this email is in no way secret or anything and was sent on
+public lists, please keep in mind that's a formal question aimed at
+the association members. Everybody is free to speak but only the voice
+of association members would legally be blocking for approval )
+
+As said a few weeks ago, we had our general assembly last week in
+Bruxelles, during the FOSDEM 2012.
+
+As required by our statuts, and by our principles of transparency and
+accountability, we publish the moral report and the financial report for
+approval by the association members.
+
+Moral report :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Rapport_moral_2012">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Rapport_moral_2012</A>
+
+Financial report :
+attached on top of the same document.
+
+If someone decide to not approve it, please speak fast ( ie, before
+tomorrow ). Please also keep in mind that there is some formatting to
+do, and that we will place the final version later once approved.
+
+Thanks, and sorry for the short notice.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
+
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+<PRE>Le mardi 14 f&#233;vrier 2012 &#224; 14:56 +0100, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 14.02.2012 14:25, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Am 13.02.2012 17:19, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; And I also found there was some pages written on the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; without warning the one in charge of keeping the record working ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; that's a duplication from the ldap where I stored everything, I love
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; when people do my work, but I really prefer when they tell me ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You are referring to which pages exactly?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And if we don't want to have a duplication, we simply need a way to display
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; those ldap contents somewhere:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Because all of us, who are not sysadmin, have an equal right to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; see that information, don't we?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can access this information with :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ ldapsearch -W -Z -h ldap.mageia.org -D uid=yourlogin,ou=People,dc=mageia,dc=org -b ou=Group,dc=mageia,dc=org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (replacing &quot;yourlogin&quot; with your login)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what you are doing and I could not do
+</I>&gt;<i> it. I simpy lack the knowledge.
+</I>&gt;<i> But shall we write that command line into the wiki? Aside from not working:
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oli at beteigeuze</A> avfs]$ ldapsearch -W -Z -h ldap.mageia.org -D
+</I>&gt;<i> uid=obgr_seneca,ou=People,dc=mageia,dc=org -b ou=Group,dc=mageia,dc=org
+</I>&gt;<i> ldap_start_tls: Connect error (-11)
+</I>&gt;<i> Enter LDAP Password:
+</I>&gt;<i> ldap_result: Can't contact LDAP server (-1)
+</I>
+Weird, it worked fine for me from $WORK.
+
+But that's another issue, there is emails and personal information there
+and we should be more careful with the data and the acl. As said
+yesterday in the meeting, we do not all have the same view on what and
+how we should treat it, and what we can do and cannot ( and lots of
+details point ).
+
+&gt;<i> It is not something you can tell the public. And that's exactly what
+</I>&gt;<i> both of those wiki pages are there for. To inform the public!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And both of those pages were there in the old wiki, too. As you can see
+</I>&gt;<i> here, they were imported from there:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_import_list#org">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_import_list#org</A>
+</I>
+Again, the issue ( for me ) is not the pages, it is that I would have
+prefered to know they existed and that they had to be updated.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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