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Is Gnome 2 traditional? What about Gnustep? +</I>><i> And Cinnamon? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For example, I'd like to see Cinnamon in the next Mageia, not because +</I>><i> it's traditional or modern, but because it's for me the only reasonable +</I>><i> compensation for losing Gnome 2. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > So, I've answered the poll, but my real answer is the following: if I +</I>><i> > > had to use a distribution with only 3 qualities out of all these, I +</I>><i> > > would be an unhappy user. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Looks like you did not read the initial posting where I explain what I +</I>><i> > mean with "top requirements". Of course I could have allowed for 5 or +</I>><i> > 10 votes, but my intention is to find out the most important features +</I>><i> > a distribution must have, otherwise you would not touch it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function, +</I>><i> and I don't think it's how most users function either. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I mean, I certainly want no crashes (who wants crashes in the middle +</I>><i> of an editing session?) and I certainly want hardware support (otherwise +</I>><i> how would I use my computer?), but I also want stability, good support, +</I>><i> a nice community, a good choice of software, etc. I don't draw a +</I>><i> hierarchy of these criteria: they are *all* important. +</I> +The issue is that they cannot be done all at the same time. + +You cannot have te latest hardware support and at the same time expect a +crash free support of the same hardware, we unfortunately do not write +bug free softwares at the first time. + +While I appreciate Wobo efforts to get meaningful numbers, I am rather +doubtful about a few things. First, the choice of questions make me +wonder, since my memories tell me that for doing such kind of polls, you +first need to do preliminary research to find the options. +There is for example various things like : +"networking out of the box", and "good hardware recognition" that are +the same. +same for "latest software" vs "quick update". +And LTS go hand to hand with "stable as top priority" ( since LTS mean +the system do not change for a long time, and usually, once enough bugs +are fixed, softwares are rather stable ). + +Not to mention that a poll may give incorrect expectation to people, and +usually only measure a fraction of the users. + +And more importantly, it doesn't help us on the crucial thing ( IMHO ), +how to expend the contributeurs pool. + +I think asking "where would you want to put efforts in the next year for +Mageia" would allow us to better see what kind of priority we should +have to grow the community. ( followed by discussions of "why don't you +do it now" that would help finding potential weak spots in the system ). + +This or asking directly, "why don't you work on $FOO". Users will come +when we have a great product ( ie, grow naturally up to a point ). And +product will be great with enough contribution, hence the focus on that. + +><i> This poll sounds like you might end up concluding "ok, our users value +</I>><i> features over stability, so we're gonna make a crashy distro with many +</I>><i> features". Surely you understand how unreasonable that is: even these +</I>><i> users which said they values features will still get angry about the +</I>><i> crashes. +</I> +Yup, I agree. But it seems people want stability. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006347.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006351.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6350">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6350">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6350">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6350">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |