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+<PRE>I need password-less ssh between all Linux systems on my LAN. Worked
+great until some weeks (?) ago. Still works for opening sessions from my
+laptop to run on the server. But when the server opens a session on the
+laptop, all at sudden a password is required.
+
+My configuration is slightly complex: my systems are multi-boot with
+several OS-partitions (for instance to ease coexistance between the
+production system and cauldron). To simplify key management, I keep the
+key files in a template-directory in a shared (non-OS) partition,
+replacing the files in $HOME/.ssh by symbolic links to files in that
+directory (and, the server and the laptop are configured as identical as
+possible, in particular, same ssh_config and sshd_config files).
+
+I can make (sounds easy, was quite a loss of time to find out) the
+problem come and go by having $HOME/.ssh/authorized-keys as a link into
+the shared directory (come), or using a copy of the template file (go) -
+as said, the problem only appears on the laptop (and no problem having
+the public and private key files implemented as links). Note: the
+permissions are ok (0600 for the private key file and for authorized keys).
+
+For the user that is a regression - is this a bug to be filed?, is it
+due to some security enhancement and just bad luck?
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 24 september 2011 09:28:51 schreef Juergen Harms:
+&gt;<i> I need password-less ssh between all Linux systems on my LAN. Worked
+</I>&gt;<i> great until some weeks (?) ago. Still works for opening sessions from my
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop to run on the server. But when the server opens a session on the
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop, all at sudden a password is required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My configuration is slightly complex: my systems are multi-boot with
+</I>&gt;<i> several OS-partitions (for instance to ease coexistance between the
+</I>&gt;<i> production system and cauldron). To simplify key management, I keep the
+</I>&gt;<i> key files in a template-directory in a shared (non-OS) partition,
+</I>&gt;<i> replacing the files in $HOME/.ssh by symbolic links to files in that
+</I>&gt;<i> directory (and, the server and the laptop are configured as identical as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible, in particular, same ssh_config and sshd_config files).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can make (sounds easy, was quite a loss of time to find out) the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem come and go by having $HOME/.ssh/authorized-keys as a link into
+</I>&gt;<i> the shared directory (come), or using a copy of the template file (go) -
+</I>&gt;<i> as said, the problem only appears on the laptop (and no problem having
+</I>&gt;<i> the public and private key files implemented as links). Note: the
+</I>&gt;<i> permissions are ok (0600 for the private key file and for authorized keys).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the user that is a regression - is this a bug to be filed?, is it
+</I>&gt;<i> due to some security enhancement and just bad luck?
+</I>
+so, what exactly is different, can you do an ssh -v to check?
+is the authorized keys file still linked? is the known_hosts file still ok?
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+ <B>Juergen Harms</B>
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+<PRE>Sorry, I tried to keep my message short: The only difference is the
+creation of the .ssh/authorized_keys
+
+working: cp /common/share/home/harms/.ssh/authorized_keys .
+kaputt: ln -s /common/share/home/harms/.ssh/authorized_keys .
+
+(after a cd $HOME/.ssh, with a correctly defined authorized_keys
+template file, as well contents as permissions)
+
+I checked and re-checked everything else (I know - this is a well-known
+statement ... - but the thing that matters is that the contents of all
+the ssh key files is identical in both cases)
+
+ssh -v output is similar for both cases up to and including
+ Trying private key: /home/harms/.ssh/identity
+ Offering RSA public key: /home/harms/.ssh/id_rsa
+
+with the copied authorized_keys, the next message is
+ Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 277
+ ... ending up with a correctly established session (no password asked)
+
+with the link, the next message is
+ Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-
+interactive
+ ... than trying other methods, ending up with asking for the password
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+<PRE>I forgot to reply to 2 of your questions: no known_hosts files created
+in both cases (known hosts are defined in /etc/ssh) - ssh -v gives in
+both cases
+ Host 'ltjuergen' is known and matches the RSA host key.
+ Found key in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts:5
+
+Yes, and the link is not removed - it remains precisely as I had defined it.
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 24 september 2011 11:40:06 schreef Juergen Harms:
+&gt;<i> I forgot to reply to 2 of your questions: no known_hosts files created
+</I>&gt;<i> in both cases (known hosts are defined in /etc/ssh) - ssh -v gives in
+</I>&gt;<i> both cases
+</I>&gt;<i> Host 'ltjuergen' is known and matches the RSA host key.
+</I>&gt;<i> Found key in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts:5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, and the link is not removed - it remains precisely as I had defined
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>
+so you're saying that ssh doesn't accept authorized_keys file if it's a link?
+
+have you tried mount --bind it?
+
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+<PRE>On 09/24/2011 12:06 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> so you're saying that ssh doesn't accept authorized_keys file if it's a link?
+</I>That is the evidence - but it did somewhere (couple of weeks back) in
+the past, I have used this approach for years.
+
+&gt;<i> have you tried mount --bind it?
+</I>I had not thought about this alternative - I will try and come back with
+the result (do not have much experience with mount --bind, want to go
+slowly). That means linking the entire .ssh directory. A simple symbolic
+link of the entire directory never (if my memory is right) worked, that
+is why I linked individual files. Would be a simplification if a mount
+--bind can do the job
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+<PRE>Tried it now: works perfectly with mount --bind.
+
+The questions remains:
+- why does it happen on my laptop and not on my server ?
+- is this a consequence of some fault I made and have to find,
+ or can this be reproduced elsewhere and a bug needs to be filed?
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+<PRE>On Saturday 24 Sep 2011 11:32:39 Juergen Harms wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 09/24/2011 12:06 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so you're saying that ssh doesn't accept authorized_keys file if it's a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; link?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is the evidence - but it did somewhere (couple of weeks back) in
+</I>&gt;<i> the past, I have used this approach for years.
+</I>
+It &quot;StrictModes&quot; is turned on in sshd_conf I assume the permissions of the
+link itself is checked. Another possibility is to set AuthorizedKeysFile to
+point to your file in /etc.
+
+Cheers
+
+Deri
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; have you tried mount --bind it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had not thought about this alternative - I will try and come back with
+</I>&gt;<i> the result (do not have much experience with mount --bind, want to go
+</I>&gt;<i> slowly). That means linking the entire .ssh directory. A simple symbolic
+</I>&gt;<i> link of the entire directory never (if my memory is right) worked, that
+</I>&gt;<i> is why I linked individual files. Would be a simplification if a mount
+</I>&gt;<i> --bind can do the job
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+&gt;<i> It &quot;StrictModes&quot; is turned on in sshd_conf I assume the permissions of the
+</I>&gt;<i> link itself is checked
+</I>
+StrictMode no or yes does not make any difference: password still
+required if login from the laptop to the server
+
+ &gt; Another possibility is to set AuthorizedKeysFile to
+ &gt; point to your file in /etc
+
+I did not try to put my user data to /etc ..., /etc is not a place for
+user-specific data, and is specific to each OS partition. I tried (and
+/common is not on my root file-system - the problem might be there)
+
+AuthorizedKeysFile /common/share/home/harms/.ssh/authorized_keys
+
+Result: password is still required; but there is an effect: a plain
+/home/harms/.ssh/authorized_keys is not seen any more.
+
+
+
+Summary
+- ssh does not correctly use an authorized_keys file if the target is a
+ symbolic link form $HOME/.ssh
+- this problem only exists for sessions started from a laptop on a
+ desktop server, the other way round there is no problem
+- this problem has only recently appeared
+- using mount --bind for mounting $HOME/.ssh at on a template
+ directory results in correct behaviour
+- twiddling /etc/ssh/sshd_conf (StrictMode, AuthorizedKeysFile) does
+ not produce satisfactory results.
+
+For me, there is a simple workaround which I now use: rather than
+creating a link to my template file, I put a copy of the template data
+into $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys (extremely unfrequent modifications, no
+problem to create a new copy in case the template data really change)
+
+The reason why I started this discussion is that there may be a faint
+risk that an abnormal behaviour of ssh could create problems in
+situations less obvious than a plain remote shell session - many
+distributed applications use ssh &quot;hidden&quot; in the application.
+
+But since I am the only one to observe this problem, opening a bug is in
+my opinion not justified.
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+ <h1>24 September 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 24 09:28:51 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 24 20:34:49 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 9<p>
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+<LI><A HREF="005464.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
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+<UL>
+<!--1 01316849331-01316851152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005465.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01316849331-01316851152-01316856850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005466.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01316849331-01316851152-01316857206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005467.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01316849331-01316851152-01316857206-01316858819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005468.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01316849331-01316851152-01316857206-01316858819-01316860359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005469.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01316849331-01316851152-01316857206-01316858819-01316860359-01316881815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005471.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01316849331-01316851152-01316857206-01316858819-01316860359-01316881815-01316889289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005472.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01316849331-01316851152-01316857206-01316858819-01316873919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="005470.html">[Mageia-discuss] password-less ssh
+</A><A NAME="5470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Sep 24 20:34:49 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Sep 24 20:34:54 CEST 2011</i>
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