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+ <B>Gary Montalbine</B>
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+<PRE>I mentioned previously that gimp and print assistant did not print the
+image as shown in gimp. It was redder and darker. I went back to
+ML2010.2 and colors match. When I reinstalled ML I was asked if I wanted
+to install a proprietary driver for my video card. I said yes. I don't
+remember seeing this in mageia. Would that make a difference in my print
+quality?
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+Gary
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le Vendredi 19 Ao&#251;t 2011 22:59:39 Gary Montalbine a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I mentioned previously that gimp and print assistant did not print the
+</I>&gt;<i> image as shown in gimp. It was redder and darker. I went back to
+</I>&gt;<i> ML2010.2 and colors match. When I reinstalled ML I was asked if I
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted to install a proprietary driver for my video card. I said yes.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't remember seeing this in mageia. Would that make a difference
+</I>&gt;<i> in my print quality?
+</I>It should not make any difference to use a proprietary driver or not (but
+you can of course install one on Mageia if you want.
+
+Regarding printing maybe it's related to a misconfiguration of the
+printer (like a wrong color profile used )
+
+Regards,
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+ <B>Gary Montalbine</B>
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+On 08/19/2011 11:09 PM, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le Vendredi 19 Ao&#251;t 2011 22:59:39 Gary Montalbine a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I mentioned previously that gimp and print assistant did not print the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> image as shown in gimp. It was redder and darker. I went back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ML2010.2 and colors match. When I reinstalled ML I was asked if I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to install a proprietary driver for my video card. I said yes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't remember seeing this in mageia. Would that make a difference
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in my print quality?
+</I>&gt;<i> It should not make any difference to use a proprietary driver or not (but
+</I>&gt;<i> you can of course install one on Mageia if you want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regarding printing maybe it's related to a misconfiguration of the
+</I>&gt;<i> printer (like a wrong color profile used )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+I am strictly a user. Any printer setup has to be program related. I use
+both MCC &gt; printer and HP device manager to check it. I know nothing of
+color profiles. The install program needs to do what is necessary to
+make it work properly. At this point I am forced to stay with ML until I
+have at least finished my printing. One other related printer problem in
+Mageia is that when I turned the printer off the program tries to reboot
+and freezes up. I have to either remove the usb plug or close my open
+programs.
+Thanks, Gary
+
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+On 08/20/2011 07:35 AM, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 08/19/2011 11:09 PM, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Vendredi 19 Ao&#251;t 2011 22:59:39 Gary Montalbine a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I mentioned previously that gimp and print assistant did not print the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> image as shown in gimp. It was redder and darker. I went back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ML2010.2 and colors match. When I reinstalled ML I was asked if I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to install a proprietary driver for my video card. I said yes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't remember seeing this in mageia. Would that make a difference
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in my print quality?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It should not make any difference to use a proprietary driver or not (but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you can of course install one on Mageia if you want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regarding printing maybe it's related to a misconfiguration of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> printer (like a wrong color profile used )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am strictly a user. Any printer setup has to be program related. I use
+</I>&gt;<i> both MCC &gt; printer and HP device manager to check it. I know nothing of
+</I>&gt;<i> color profiles. The install program needs to do what is necessary to
+</I>&gt;<i> make it work properly. At this point I am forced to stay with ML until I
+</I>&gt;<i> have at least finished my printing. One other related printer problem in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is that when I turned the printer off the program tries to reboot
+</I>&gt;<i> and freezes up. I have to either remove the usb plug or close my open
+</I>&gt;<i> programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, Gary
+</I>
+P.S. I noticed that the printed pictures in ML are slightly lighter that
+shown in Gimp. Is there some type of program that calibrates printer
+with monitor?
+Thanks, Gary
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 08/20/2011 07:35 AM, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 08/19/2011 11:09 PM, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Vendredi 19 Ao&#251;t 2011 22:59:39 Gary Montalbine a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I mentioned previously that gimp and print assistant did not print the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> image as shown in gimp. It was redder and darker. I went back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ML2010.2 and colors match. When I reinstalled ML I was asked if I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to install a proprietary driver for my video card. I said yes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't remember seeing this in mageia. Would that make a difference
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in my print quality?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It should not make any difference to use a proprietary driver or not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you can of course install one on Mageia if you want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regarding printing maybe it's related to a misconfiguration of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> printer (like a wrong color profile used )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am strictly a user. Any printer setup has to be program related. I use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both MCC &gt; printer and HP device manager to check it. I know nothing of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> color profiles. The install program needs to do what is necessary to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make it work properly. At this point I am forced to stay with ML until I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have at least finished my printing. One other related printer problem in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia is that when I turned the printer off the program tries to reboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and freezes up. I have to either remove the usb plug or close my open
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> programs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> P.S. I noticed that the printed pictures in ML are slightly lighter that
+</I>&gt;<i> shown in Gimp. Is there some type of program that calibrates printer
+</I>&gt;<i> with monitor?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Perhaps it is your monitor that needs calibration. Some monitors have a
+way of changing with time, and variations of room lighting can make them
+look different at different times of the day.
+
+Not saying that is the case - just something to think about.
+
+TJ
+
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 08:30 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
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+&gt;<i> P.S. I noticed that the printed pictures in ML are slightly lighter that
+</I>&gt;<i> shown in Gimp. Is there some type of program that calibrates printer
+</I>&gt;<i> with monitor?
+</I>
+Yes. To calibrate a monitor properly, you need hardware such as a
+Spyder, which can produce an ICC colour profile for the device. You can
+find them on eBay. Some of these devices are said to work in Linux,
+others are Mac and Windows only. Years ago they were pretty much all Mac
+only, since that's what the graphics design profession all used.
+
+The cheaper LCD monitors have only 6-bit-per=channel colour in them, so
+there are many colours that the computer can represent that the monitor
+can't display. Unfortunately, there are also many colours they _can_
+display that can't be printed (and vice versa). The range of colours a
+device can print or display is called its gamut. Monitors and printers
+generally have overlapping gamuts, but not identical, and the cheaper
+monitors tend to have much less of an overlap.
+
+To get anything like reasonable sRGB coverage (close to the 8-bit
+default colour profile used by GIMP) you typically need to spend USD$600
+or more... look for an &quot;IPS&quot; display for example. But you'll still need
+to do calibration if you're doing serius print work.
+
+If you don't want to spend the money, or don't have it, or would rather
+buy shoes and socks :-), then search the Web (or check the CD that came
+with the monitor and printer) for .ICC or .ICM files; in Gnome 2 you can
+use [gnome]-&gt;system-&gt;preferences-&gt;color profiles to load them, and you
+can also tell gimp (and I think cups) about them.
+
+If you have a scanner you can do the same with that, and then print
+something and scan it and compare the files -- it's OK if they are a
+little different, especially if you grabbed someone else's ICM files
+rather than the ones for your individual device, because devices vary in
+manufacturing and with age, and because the colour gamuts differ.
+
+In gimp, image-&gt;image properties can show if there's an embedded colour
+profile in the image. If so, you can use exiftool on the command-line to
+remove it and see if that helps with printing; see also
+gimp'sview-&gt;display filters-&gt;colour management configuration, and
+edit-&gt;preferences-&gt;colour management.
+
+Liam
+
+
+--
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
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