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+<PRE>Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2 juil. 2011 &#224; 17:14, andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Suppose during the update process you have a check box to put a particular update on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the skip list, or another to uninstall the corresponding package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would be an interesting option to investigate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note that if you can't uninstall a package because it is required, it is usually
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> inadvisable skip updates, unless you really understand the issues.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So the user is stuck: unadvisable to skip the updates, unless she understands the issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =&gt; just make the update automatic in a background task by default then; one doesn't care
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about the issues - or won't have a single clue about it either, unless being a specific
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> type of user that would know how to disable this auto update setting anyway).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing when the password is requested would reduce the security for the system, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unauthorised users could see what is installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unauthorised users using an authorised session, to be more specific.
+</I>
+Such a situation is far from rare in multi-user environments.
+But also if someone doesn't know the root password, currently they can't see
+what is installed. By delaying it until something is actually updated, they can
+see everything. So a remote user with limited privileges could more easily
+compromise the system.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Security is important. But that's orthogonal to a pleasant/efficient experience.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which is important too. We are aiming at making things for people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This may not affect you personnally, but such an option would best not be the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> default, to protect other systems. So it could be more complicated than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> changes suggested above, and would only save you a few seconds.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;a few seconds&quot; is already a lot for everyone (and even more if the notification
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> breaks your focus). Multiply this by the times such a notification occurs for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> typical desktop system, you have a lot of valuable time wasted here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's not such a ludicrous idea; improving the person experience with the system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so she can focus on her task and not on the tool is clearly one of our goals.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But indeed, perhaps it only requires making this more obvious (that is, integrated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the user flow and interface), how to use the existing options.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Imho those 2 things are bad ideas:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - having updates in background: Interesting thing in Linux is to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> people about their system. If they do not want details, then fine we
+</I>&gt;<i> can just a way to switch from general mode to detailed one.
+</I>
+That's one thing I like about Linux. Being able to readily monitor updates in
+detail.
+
+&gt;<i> - giving the possibility of adding easily packages to skip.list is the
+</I>&gt;<i> best way to break updates of end users systems. They will skip some
+</I>&gt;<i> updates when it's too long for example, without really being aware of
+</I>&gt;<i> what they do.
+</I>
+That was part of my concerns.
+
+&gt;<i> Then if an incoming update depends on a specific version
+</I>&gt;<i> of skipped package it will just break. I would rather add this as an
+</I>&gt;<i> advanced option in rpmdrake
+</I>
+I agree.
+Maybe an advanced mode, like in diskdrake. (which I use judiciously)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+it's the same for me on the french page.
+
+Have you make a &quot;bugzilla&quot; report ?
+
+++
+mammig
+
+2011/7/2 Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I just went to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/.">http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/.</A> In the paragraph on
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Donating&quot; there is a sentence &quot;We keep a public record of what we get and
+</I>&gt;<i> how we use it&quot; with a link to
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which gives Access forbidden, error 403.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I></PRE>
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+<PRE>On 2 July 2011 20:29, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2 juil. 2011 &#224; 17:14, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Suppose during the update process you have a check box to put a particular update on the skip list, or another to uninstall the corresponding package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would be an interesting option to investigate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note that if you can't uninstall a package because it is required, it is usually inadvisable skip updates, unless you really understand the issues.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So the user is stuck: unadvisable to skip the updates, unless she understands the issues =&gt; just make the update automatic in a background task by default then; one doesn't care about the issues - or won't have a single clue about it either, unless being a specific type of user that would know how to disable this auto update setting anyway).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing when the password is requested would reduce the security for the system, as unauthorised users could see what is installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unauthorised users using an authorised session, to be more specific.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Security is important. But that's orthogonal to a pleasant/efficient experience. Which is important too. We are aiming at making things for people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This may not affect you personnally, but such an option would best not be the default, to protect other systems. &#160;So it could be more complicated than the changes suggested above, and would only save you a few seconds.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;a few seconds&quot; is already a lot for everyone (and even more if the notification breaks your focus). Multiply this by the times such a notification occurs for a typical desktop system, you have a lot of valuable time wasted here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's not such a ludicrous idea; improving the person experience with the system so she can focus on her task and not on the tool is clearly one of our goals.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But indeed, perhaps it only requires making this more obvious (that is, integrated in the user flow and interface), how to use the existing options.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Imho those 2 things are bad ideas:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - having updates in background: Interesting thing in Linux is to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> people about their system. If they do not want details, then fine we
+</I>&gt;<i> can just a way to switch from general mode to detailed one.
+</I>&gt;<i> - giving the possibility of adding easily packages to skip.list is the
+</I>&gt;<i> best way to break updates of end users systems. They will skip some
+</I>&gt;<i> updates when it's too long for example, without really being aware of
+</I>&gt;<i> what they do. Then if an incoming update depends on a specific version
+</I>&gt;<i> of skipped package it will just break. &#160;I would rather add this as an
+</I>&gt;<i> advanced option in rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Adding to that if the user restarts the system before the updating is
+finished, he may end up with a borked system altogether (imagine urpmi
+updating urpmi and failing midstep as the user restarted his system).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE> &gt; Have you make a &quot;bugzilla&quot; report ?
+
+Is this a bug, is this kind of administrative issue something that is
+handled within the bugzilla reporting process?
+
+Sure, I can easily file a bug - can I get confirmation on the
+&quot;procedural question&quot; first?
+
+Juergen
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 3 July 2011 10:31, Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Have you make a &quot;bugzilla&quot; report ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a bug, is this kind of administrative issue something that is
+</I>&gt;<i> handled within the bugzilla reporting process?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure, I can easily file a bug - can I get confirmation on the &quot;procedural
+</I>&gt;<i> question&quot; first?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Juergen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's a bug in one of the Mageia websites, so file a report using the
+Websites component in Bugzilla.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> So, not upgrading isn't an option? Saying no isn't possible? I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> just do it later?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> He's just a politician trying to save both his faces...
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga x86_64
+</I>
+This thread started because somebody was too lazy to enter his password before
+seeing the list of updates. The above comment suggests that the tone of the
+thread never got above that level.
+
+Does anybody know why the thread is continuing?
+
+Doug.
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2 juil. 2011 &#224; 23:09, Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/.">http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/.</A> [...] link to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which gives Access forbidden, error 403.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be fixed.
+</I>
+Yep. That's still very beta. In the meantime, look under <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/</A> you'll have the 2010 and 2011 reports.
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+<PRE>l&#246;rdagen den 2 juli 2011 20.29.37 skrev Anne nicolas:
+
+&gt;<i> - giving the possibility of adding easily packages to skip.list is the
+</I>&gt;<i> best way to break updates of end users systems. They will skip some
+</I>&gt;<i> updates when it's too long for example, without really being aware of
+</I>&gt;<i> what they do. Then if an incoming update depends on a specific version
+</I>&gt;<i> of skipped package it will just break.
+</I>
+It should then ask something along the line
+
+&quot;For updating &lt;package&gt; to be possible,
+thoose packages need be updated too:
+ &lt;list&gt;
+OK to remove them from skip list?&quot;
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+&gt;<i> In the meantime, look <A HREF="underhttp://www.mageia.org/en/about/">underhttp://www.mageia.org/en/about/</A> you'll have the 2010 and 2011 reports.
+</I>
+Thanks, that does the job. But I will file the bug to keep this problem
+tagged.
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