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Will Mageia ever have +</I>>>><i> those in the DVD or will it keep the "free" kind of version that +</I>>>><i> Mandriva has? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> If it was for me, I would include them but I don't know about the +</I>>>><i> original reasons of why they are not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In my mind, misplaced ideology. The arguments were that non-free drivers should not be on a +</I>><i> nominally "free" dvd. I say nominally because even the kernel contains technically non-free code. +</I>><i> +</I> + +Proof please. what in the _kernel_ is non-free ? + + +><i> Let's make the focus "working out of the box". +</I>><i> If that means including non-free drivers where a reliable free driver does not exist, so be it. +</I>><i> After all, these proprietary drivers are to make the user's proprietary hardware work properly. +</I>><i> And if a reliable free driver exists, of course we wouldn't include the proprietary driver. +</I>><i> +</I> +You know we are promoting open source, not closed stuff... + +And you dont see users on MS side complain when they have to download +drivers from vendor site (or install it separately from a vendor +provided cd/dvd) + +What we missed in Ati case is a fallback to non-KMS mode when firmware +is missing. So the ati driver do work without nonfree stuff too. + +And people should also learn to check if hw is properly supported by +open source before buying. + +We also need to educate endusers that not all hw vendors are +"os-friendly" so lets support those that are... + + +><i> The purists can be accommodated by warnings which would require their confirmation to install any +</I>><i> required non-free software. +</I>><i> The last thing we need is driving potential users away from Mageia (and Linux in general) by an +</I>><i> installation that doesn't work properly. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> The T42 they used is quite old, and that model of IBM Thinkpad had +</I>>><i> a problematic Radeon card - I had loads of trouble with mine under +</I>>><i> Mandriva, even when using the proprietary drivers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The review pointed out that after an Internet search which identified the needed driver, they +</I>><i> downloaded the proprietary driver, which worked properly. So it was _not_ a hardware problem. +</I>><i> Note that this would have been a difficult problem to solve for the average new Linux user. +</I>><i> +</I> +Not a driver, only missing firmware. + +><i> They summarized : +</I>><i> "Overall, our opinion is that this first release of Mageia does what the team set out to do. Namely +</I>><i> to build a clean and attractive derivative of Mandriva. Now, if the developers will revisit their +</I>><i> decision not to distribute proprietary video software drivers on the installation media for those +</I>><i> users who need them, we'd say that Mageia seems to have bright future ahead of it." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So let's eliminate this negative. +</I>><i> +</I> +Or teach people about _real_ open source... + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004711.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4710">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4710">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4710">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4710">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |