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The default layout looks like +</I>><i> >GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >Regarding GNOME 3 not being reliable, can you reference some bugreports? +</I>><i> >This as I don't see any huge problems, especially not for a .0 release. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The falback mode still relies qui a lot on Gnome 3. I concede I need +</I> +That is the point, gnome-panel continues to be maintained in 3.x. But +for GNOME 3, gnome-panel is mainly: + * removing of deprecated stuff like bonobo + * usage of gtk3 instead of gtk2 + * some UI changes to make it look like GNOME shell + +See for instance +<A HREF="http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead,-long-live-gnome-panel!">http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead,-long-live-gnome-panel!</A> + +Of course, GNOME 3.x relies on a new enough networkmanager and so on. +The fallback will require the same. Similarly, gnome-control-center will +look different and so on. This is also why it is called fallback +(metacity instead of mutter, gnome-panel instead of gnome-shell, +networkmanager uses the trayicon, rest is more or less similar). + +><i> to do some more testing on a longer period of time, but on the two +</I>><i> computer using a SuSE based system running Gnome 3, I had quite a +</I>><i> lot numerous visual issues and got one program crashing. But some +</I>><i> time has passed and there were probably updates so I need to retest. +</I> +This is totally different from the experiences I heard of (aside from +driver issues), so it surprises me. Usually feedback is regarding e.g. +user interface or broken drivers. + +If not too offtopic for this list, could you expand on the visual +issues? Something driver related, or something indicating a bug within a +program? Also, which program crashed? + +I'd assume if GNOME 3 would be included, it would start with GNOME 3.1 +(unstable version leading up to 3.2). So Mageia 2 would have the 3.2 +release, not the 3.0 one. In practice: a lot more effort and fixes since +3.0.0. + +><i> But looking at the available environments, I'm thinking that in case +</I>><i> some people really can't handle Gnome 3, there is actually Xfce that +</I>><i> can be a good fallback. I'm not sure there are enough people for +</I>><i> maintaining Gnome 2.32 for six extra months. I am simply cautions +</I>><i> about releases that may not be really polished and stable. +</I> +My main experience is with Mandriva, and I always loved how quickly +they'd have all the new GNOME development releases (generally within +hours of the tarballs being available). That's actually a few days +before GNOME actually does a release (due to release process + QA). + +I think not having GNOME 3.0 was a good choice, but there is enough time +now and experience to integrate 3.2 nicely. + +Related to your question who'd maintain GNOME 2.32? Within GNOME or +within Mageia? There won't be any GNOME 2.32.x release within GNOME; +though anyone is free to provide patches for those branches. +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Gnome3 on Mageia 1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Gnome3 on Mageia 1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4607">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4607">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4607">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4607">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |