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Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this +</I>><i> comes +</I>><i> > across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't +</I>><i> need, +</I>><i> > and how and why people have "mainly" used easyurpmi in the past. How do +</I>><i> you +</I>><i> > know? Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found +</I>><i> > easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize +</I>><i> how +</I>><i> > atypical I was. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not. +</I>><i> Every +</I>><i> group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to +</I>><i> be +</I>><i> listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer +</I>><i> refused +</I>><i> to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories. +</I>><i> Despites having wrote +</I>><i> docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi +</I>><i> out of +</I>><i> some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X +</I>><i> instances of the software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a +</I>><i> php coder, and +</I>><i> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation +</I>><i> system is +</I>><i> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, +</I>><i> despites +</I>><i> people fixing various problem. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - the core of the system was still "here is a website that a new user +</I>><i> cannot find by +</I>><i> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need +</I>><i> to type as root, +</I>><i> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him". That's bad on +</I>><i> many levels : +</I>><i> - difficult to find for a new user. +</I>><i> - asking to type command as root first, and later "click on a link in your +</I>><i> browser and type after your +</I>><i> admin password", which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to +</I>><i> people. +</I>><i> - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that +</I>><i> use rpmdrake or +</I>><i> that fail silently ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is also some issue like "it requires a web browser" ( which is highly +</I>><i> problematic when you +</I>><i> are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And "it doesn't use ssl" ( +</I>><i> which is rather bad for a site that give you +</I>><i> basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that's quite +</I>><i> curious that no one +</I>><i> thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about +</I>><i> the content of a file that end +</I>><i> to be read by a software running as root. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of +</I>><i> the nature of PLF/Mandriva. +</I>><i> The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work. +</I>><i> The power struggle +</I>><i> part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is +</I>><i> a official instance +</I>><i> on Mageia servers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted +</I>><i> disabled by default and maybe +</I>><i> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others +</I>><i> problems ( +</I>><i> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if +</I>><i> they want, but I will +</I>><i> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled +</I>><i> as official, and +</I>><i> would recommend to people to not deploy it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110521/bbc34b05/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4308">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4308">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4308">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4308">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |