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Even if it seems to be easier I see that as a fault. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I have seen the history of GNU and Linux and their "marriage" (because +</I>>><i> the GNU people did not have any simple and free kernel for their +</I>>><i> software). So, from my point of view there's a good chance that Linux +</I>>><i> could have grown to a full operating system even without the GNU +</I>>><i> project. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The gnu project provided lots of software, some quite unavoidable like a +</I>><i> compiler, a standard library, or stuff like screen, gettext and slightly +</I>><i> low level tools ( binutils, coreutils, etc ). +</I> +Yes but on the other hand: +- libc was forked, then merged back in glibc (and is now mainly +maintained by RH). + (And there's eglibc fork too) +- gcc/binutils have concurrents: clang, llvm, ... (not yet at the +same level but still...) + Same story: egcs fork, then "merged" back + +whereas it's trut it was important what stallman and the fsf did, by +now, most important +pieces of the OS are no more provided by the GNU project itself: +- the kernel, +- several shells, +- all the graphical stack, +- most server softwares, ... +- Even at the lowest leve: udev, hal, ... + +GNU project was important, but it's not the biggest part of a Linux distro. +Else shouldn't we be named "GNU/KDE/GNOME/FreeDesktop/.../ Mageia Linux"? + +>><i> On the other side nobody could tell if the GNU project would +</I>>><i> have survived without Linux. Both thoughts are speculations, of +</I>>><i> course. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But would a GNU/Linux naming policy not neglect the merits of all the +</I>>><i> other projects who actually made the "Gnu/Linux" system a real usable +</I>>><i> package? Imagine a distribution only supplying Linux and what remains +</I>>><i> from the GNU project (especially Emacs) - would any user actually use +</I>>><i> it (except developpers and "tech freaks")? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I doubt developers would use something without gcc ( granted, there is +</I>><i> pcc or llvm ) and without a libc ( granted again, someone could use a +</I>><i> alternative like dietlibc etc ) +</I> +Well: +1) there're other compilers indeed +2) since ther merge back of egcs, gcc, while still under the GNU flag, + is driven by the gcc steering commitee, no more by the FSF +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003931.html">[Mageia-discuss] Fwd: Sound in Mageia? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003926.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3925">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3925">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3925">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3925">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |