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IE, that you should first post +</I>>>>><i> on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would +</I>>>>><i> start by +</I>>>>><i> marcom ). [...] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Yep. The point is relevant (common language use vs. precision) so +</I>>>><i> thank you Richard for bringing this up, in a good way. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a +</I>>>>><i> patch, [...] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Although before a patch, the right message replacement should be +</I>>>><i> defined in marcom first. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Three, [...] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And please avoid the "politically [in]correct" thing, it is fuzzy at +</I>>>><i> best and it contributes to defuse the stance. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> As a side note, you will note that the Mageia end-product is to be +</I>>>><i> called "Mageia" and not "Mageia Linux" (neither "Mageia GNU/Linux" for +</I>>>><i> that matter). If it does, it's a matter of imprecision we can fix. And +</I>>>><i> we did launch the project as "Mageia, the new Linux distribution" - +</I>>>><i> this was a temporary launch title and it had to be short. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So the fix will be more in how we define this Mageia product as such +</I>>>><i> ("operating system"? "GNU/Linux distribution"? st else?) and relative +</I>>>><i> to what it uses/gathers (GNU/Linux indeed, but not only). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As a side note: +</I>>><i> I met RMS when he held a speech in Frankfurt. He told me that he will +</I>>><i> not visit Linuxtag (nor reply to an invitation for a key note) until +</I>>><i> they change the event's name to "GNU/Linuxtag". I mention this to show +</I>>><i> his commitment about this point. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But language and also expressions are a living thing. Today everybody +</I>>><i> is aware that "Linux" stands for the whole package while "kernel" is +</I>>><i> the current expression for the "real" Linux and everything else are +</I>>><i> tools and apps, where the GNU tools are just one part. What we now +</I>>><i> call "Linux" is far more than what RMS claims, it is not just +</I>>><i> GNU/Linux. It is also Mozilla/Linux, OpenOffice.org/Linux, etc. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> My personal opinion on that: to really be correct we have no other way +</I>>><i> to use either "Linux" or use [all tools and applications]/Linux, which +</I>>><i> would be ridiculous. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with wobo. In English, and, I think, in many other modern +</I>><i> languages, the meaning of a word is determined by common usage and not +</I>><i> by what technical experts think it should mean. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The Oxford Dictionary, which (eventually) reflects common usage, and is +</I>><i> the nearest we have to a definitive source in English, defines Linux as: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "an open-source operating system modelled on UNIX." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "Political in-correctness" often results from failure to recognise the +</I>><i> changing meanings/connotations of words. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Jim +</I> +I also agree with wobo. +If you _really_ want to be totally correct, you should also include "the +Gnu implementation of the posix/unix standard", which gets even more +obscure. It is a bit like the "free" vs "open source" argument, which +even Stallman (a proponent of "free") admits that they refer to the same +thing. +Note that there are similar nuances with the meaning of "Mozilla" - +which the Mozilla foundation wisely accepts. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3834">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3834">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3834">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3834">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |