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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 11 janvier 2011 &#224; 20:31 +0100, Farfouille a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 11/01/2011 13:54, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (lots of interesting things)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can people be part of both the board and the council (except the chair of course) ?
+</I>
+That's a good question that I intentionally left unanswered because i
+wanted to see if people read my mail :p
+
+No in fact, I do not have the answer, but I also ask it myself.
+
+I know that we specified that peoples could not be leader of 2 teams
+( for reason of workload, and to avoid bus error ), or something like
+that, but I am not sure for the board and council.
+
+I think there will likely be people on both at least on the start, and
+if I were to decide, I would not forbid it, but for the sake of
+spreading work, and reducing risk ( in case someone must step down for
+any reason ), it should be a best practice to not be on both.
+
+Maybe Romain can enlighten here ?
+--
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 12 januari 2011 00:27:26 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 11 janvier 2011 &#224; 20:31 +0100, Farfouille a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 11/01/2011 13:54, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (lots of interesting things)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can people be part of both the board and the council (except the chair of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; course) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a good question that I intentionally left unanswered because i
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted to see if people read my mail :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No in fact, I do not have the answer, but I also ask it myself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that we specified that peoples could not be leader of 2 teams
+</I>&gt;<i> ( for reason of workload, and to avoid bus error ), or something like
+</I>&gt;<i> that, but I am not sure for the board and council.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think there will likely be people on both at least on the start, and
+</I>&gt;<i> if I were to decide, I would not forbid it, but for the sake of
+</I>&gt;<i> spreading work, and reducing risk ( in case someone must step down for
+</I>&gt;<i> any reason ), it should be a best practice to not be on both.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe Romain can enlighten here ?
+</I>
+I think since that association members come from council; that it's only
+logical that they don't step down from the council. and it could be that they
+are in board as well that same year. and since board is renewed anyway,
+personally i see no troubles here.
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 01:05, Maarten Vanraes
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 12 januari 2011 00:27:26 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 11 janvier 2011 &#224; 20:31 +0100, Farfouille a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le 11/01/2011 13:54, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (lots of interesting things)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Can people be part of both the board and the council (except the chair of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; course) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's a good question that I intentionally left unanswered because i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to see if people read my mail :p
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No in fact, I do not have the answer, but I also ask it myself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know that we specified that peoples could not be leader of 2 teams
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( for reason of workload, and to avoid bus error ), or something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that, but I am not sure for the board and council.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think there will likely be people on both at least on the start, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if I were to decide, I would not forbid it, but for the sake of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spreading work, and reducing risk ( in case someone must step down for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any reason ), it should be a best practice to not be on both.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe Romain can enlighten here ?
+</I>
+No opinion. I'd leave this open and see how it goes if it happens. The
+main issue I could see is too high a workload on a single head and not
+being focused enough on important parts. But it need some experience
+to see if it does occur to be an issue.
+
+By the way:
+ - if someone was to step down from the Board (for any reason),
+there's a provision allowing Board members to get a temporary
+replacement - until next election;
+ - if someone was to step down from the Council, it would be up to the
+team to decide who goes there (temporarily, this could be the team
+leader, waiting for an election).
+
+&gt;<i> I think since that association members come from council; that it's only
+</I>&gt;<i> logical that they don't step down from the council.
+</I>
+Council is supposed to be renewed every year and you may (or not) be
+renewed but you will be/stay a member of the association anyway.
+
+&gt;<i> and it could be that they are in board as well that same year. and since
+</I>&gt;<i> board is renewed anyway, personally i see no troubles here.
+</I>
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No opinion. I'd leave this open and see how it goes if it happens. The
+</I>&gt;<i> main issue I could see is too high a workload on a single head and not
+</I>&gt;<i> being focused enough on important parts. But it need some experience
+</I>&gt;<i> to see if it does occur to be an issue.
+</I>
++1
+
+--
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 01:05, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op woensdag 12 januari 2011 00:27:26 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 11 janvier 2011 &#224; 20:31 +0100, Farfouille a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 11/01/2011 13:54, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (lots of interesting things)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can people be part of both the board and the council (except the chair of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> course) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's a good question that I intentionally left unanswered because i
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to see if people read my mail :p
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No in fact, I do not have the answer, but I also ask it myself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I know that we specified that peoples could not be leader of 2 teams
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( for reason of workload, and to avoid bus error ), or something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that, but I am not sure for the board and council.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think there will likely be people on both at least on the start, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if I were to decide, I would not forbid it, but for the sake of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spreading work, and reducing risk ( in case someone must step down for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> any reason ), it should be a best practice to not be on both.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe Romain can enlighten here ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No opinion. I'd leave this open and see how it goes if it happens. The
+</I>&gt;<i> main issue I could see is too high a workload on a single head and not
+</I>&gt;<i> being focused enough on important parts. But it need some experience
+</I>&gt;<i> to see if it does occur to be an issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way:
+</I>&gt;<i> - if someone was to step down from the Board (for any reason),
+</I>&gt;<i> there's a provision allowing Board members to get a temporary
+</I>&gt;<i> replacement - until next election;
+</I>&gt;<i> - if someone was to step down from the Council, it would be up to the
+</I>&gt;<i> team to decide who goes there (temporarily, this could be the team
+</I>&gt;<i> leader, waiting for an election).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think since that association members come from council; that it's only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logical that they don't step down from the council.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Council is supposed to be renewed every year and you may (or not) be
+</I>&gt;<i> renewed but you will be/stay a member of the association anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and it could be that they are in board as well that same year. and since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> board is renewed anyway, personally i see no troubles here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+For what it's worth, I like the proposed setup - including the
+wait-and-see-if-problematic approach regarding serving on both the
+Council and the Board.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+We did not discuss yet about how universities, schools and companies
+(for-profit ones especially) may interact/participate in the project.
+
+So here is a first attempt to draft this important part of the
+project. I will put bluntly for discussion how I (and a few others)
+consider this, up to your consideration and comments. And let's
+build/deconstruct that.
+
+
+On the one side, the Mageia project is a place where many people from
+different cultures and skills sets meet and work together. Some are
+self-taught, some got diplomas; some are amateurs, some are
+professionals; all benefit from others' personalities.
+
+This melting-pot (online and hopefully offline too at some point), if
+carefully managed, is an extraordinary great place for professionals
+and for non-pro (students, retired, amateurs) to learn from each other
+and to demonstrate their ability both in collaborative work and in
+their own specific field of expertise (be it academic or not; be it
+software development, project management, translation, documentation,
+QA, communication, marketing, legal, hardware design, UX, design,
+etc.).
+
+On the other side, great technology, tools and practices are made
+available and demonstrated through this very project.
+
+So it just makes perfect sense that professionals participating to
+Mageia do it not only in their spare time, but as part of their actual
+employment; provided, of course, the employer sees and understands the
+opportunity, both as an employer and as a potential
+user/developer/integrator of these pieces of technology and
+experience.
+
+
+It's not about the Mageia project providing companies or schools with
+commercial services or some specific access to tools and products of
+the project.
+
+It's about companies or schools contributing actively to a project
+they benefit from:
+ * contributing through the means they consider most appropriate:
+people, resources, money, visibility;
+ * benefiting from the technology, the knowledge, the pool of great
+people demonstrating their ability to build something in a
+collaborative, constructive effort and available to provide, if
+needed, a specific service for a specific need.
+
+
+I want to stress this out again because that is crucial. That will not
+affect the project governance in any way: project direction and
+decisions rely on contributors duly elected by their peers at each
+level: team, council, board. Donating money to the project does not
+entitle to any specific right that would disrupt this governance
+model.
+
+
+Here is how it could be put, in other words:
+
+You, as a person, as a group, as a company, as a university, are very
+welcome to contribute to the project if you believe in it, not only in
+the technology, but in the governance, in the vision and in the people
+that make it happen.
+
+The best way to influence significantly the project is to invest your
+people into it and have them become great contributors.
+
+As a result, Mageia-produced tools and products are free software
+(that is, collectively owned and built technology and knowledge) and
+they are (going to be) designed and built to be used. By you, or
+anyone that finds value in this technology and in the fact that it can
+understand it, tweak it to one's needs, improve it, learn from it.
+
+So if it fits your needs, just use it, take it, teach it, tweak it,
+plug it, play it, burn it... wooops ;-) You get the idea. Find a real
+problem that screams for a different solution, nail this solution
+down, use the best tools at hand and implement it.
+
+
+This is for the reasoning.
+
+Next could be:
+ * what types of companies would join in such a fashion and for what
+use? (support, integration, custom development, other?)
+ * which universities, for what use?
+ * why would Mageia need to even care about this?
+ * how (and why) would the Mageia project integrate this by taking
+steps facilitating this (and preventing mixes between what is
+genuinely produced by Mageia and what is derivated from it)?
+ * how can Mageia keep the focus on its own roadmap (to stress out
+that the governance is in the hands of the Council and the Board, and
+only them; and why investing in the people contributing to the project
+is key)
+
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Le 12/01/2011 11:18, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 01:05, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op woensdag 12 januari 2011 00:27:26 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 11 janvier 2011 &#224; 20:31 +0100, Farfouille a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 11/01/2011 13:54, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (lots of interesting things)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can people be part of both the board and the council (except the chair of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> course) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's a good question that I intentionally left unanswered because i
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to see if people read my mail :p
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No in fact, I do not have the answer, but I also ask it myself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I know that we specified that peoples could not be leader of 2 teams
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( for reason of workload, and to avoid bus error ), or something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that, but I am not sure for the board and council.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think there will likely be people on both at least on the start, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if I were to decide, I would not forbid it, but for the sake of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spreading work, and reducing risk ( in case someone must step down for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> any reason ), it should be a best practice to not be on both.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe Romain can enlighten here ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No opinion. I'd leave this open and see how it goes if it happens. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> main issue I could see is too high a workload on a single head and not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being focused enough on important parts. But it need some experience
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to see if it does occur to be an issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By the way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - if someone was to step down from the Board (for any reason),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there's a provision allowing Board members to get a temporary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replacement - until next election;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - if someone was to step down from the Council, it would be up to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> team to decide who goes there (temporarily, this could be the team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leader, waiting for an election).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think since that association members come from council; that it's only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> logical that they don't step down from the council.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Council is supposed to be renewed every year and you may (or not) be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> renewed but you will be/stay a member of the association anyway.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and it could be that they are in board as well that same year. and since
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> board is renewed anyway, personally i see no troubles here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For what it's worth, I like the proposed setup - including the
+</I>&gt;<i> wait-and-see-if-problematic approach regarding serving on both the
+</I>&gt;<i> Council and the Board.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I asked the question because it came to my mind while reading Misc mail and I though
+that the point should be raised but I have no idea and the pragmatic 'wait-and-see' approach is an adequate answer to me.
+--
+Farfouille
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+<PRE>We, LinuxCabal, have our servers at CloudSigma in Switzerland. I was
+writing to them yesterday and mentioned that Mageia was a fork of
+Mandriva and that the Mageia team might benefit from server space as
+follows:
+
+ As you may know, Mandriva is in a state of flux due to financial
+ considerations and may cease to exist. As such, Mageia has forked
+ out by the original developers of Mandrake/Mandriva and has gathered
+ most of the original developers on the new team. As such they are
+ looking for places where they cn set up their CVS servers as well as
+ mirror sights to host the distribution, the first version of which is
+ due in June.
+
+ I have managed a local copy of the Mandriva Distribution here at
+ LinuxCabal for years which our users can access from our local
+ internal net to install and to update from during our weekly Install
+ Fests. Each version uses about 100G of disk space.
+
+ I mention this to see if Cloud Sigma would want to host a site for
+ them. I think that it would possibly be a great source of
+ promotional advertising for you.
+
+ If you are interested, I can put you in contact with the correct
+ people at Mageia or LinuxCabal can actually manage the sight with
+ little or no change to our present configuration.
+
+They responded as follows:
+
+ In terms of Mageia, I think this sounds like an interested
+ opportunity and possibility to collaborate. Please feel free to put
+ them in touch with me in order to see how we might assist them.
+
+This came from Robert Jenkins whose email is <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">robert at cloudsigma.com</A>
+Robert is in a position to donate server space.
+
+
+Their service has been been excellent.
+
+Hope this helps.
+
+
+
+
+Richard Couture
+
+
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 12 23:34:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 8<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003389.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Available Servers at Cloud Sigma
+</A><A NAME="3393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003392.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003386.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003387.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003390.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003388.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Drafting interaction with entreprises and universities
+</A><A NAME="3391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Jan 12 23:34:22 CET 2011</i><br>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Jan 12 00:27:26 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 12 23:34:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 8<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003386.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003387.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003388.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003389.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003390.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Drafting interaction with entreprises and universities
+</A><A NAME="3391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003392.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Available Servers at Cloud Sigma
+</A><A NAME="3393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Jan 12 23:34:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jan 13 00:31:21 CET 2011</i>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Jan 12 00:27:26 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 12 23:34:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 8<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003387.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003386.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003388.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003389.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003390.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003392.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Available Servers at Cloud Sigma
+</A><A NAME="3393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Drafting interaction with entreprises and universities
+</A><A NAME="3391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Jan 12 23:34:22 CET 2011</i><br>
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+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01294788446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003386.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01294788446-01294790730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003387.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01294788446-01294790730-01294825711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003388.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01294788446-01294790730-01294825711-01294827507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003389.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01294788446-01294790730-01294825711-01294827517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003390.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01294788446-01294790730-01294825711-01294827517-01294861528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003392.html">[Mageia-discuss] [LONG] yesterday meeting logs, and board election at fosdem
+</A><A NAME="3392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01294788446-01294790730-01294825711-01294827517-01294861528-01294871662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Available Servers at Cloud Sigma
+</A><A NAME="3393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01294828966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Drafting interaction with entreprises and universities
+</A><A NAME="3391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Jan 12 23:34:22 CET 2011</i><br>
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