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+ <B>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>I believe I'd like to have a gui to blend in a NON-Mageia package into
+Mageia's database. Is that possible?
+
+For instance....... let's say that you find an opensource-program in a repo
+for another distro (a good example is telegnome).
+You either choose to download the package &amp; install it using a gui to use it
+in Mageia or you let the installer see what deps are missing and let it add
+theese to the installation.
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+ <B>Luca Berra</B>
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+&gt;<i>I believe I'd like to have a gui to blend in a NON-Mageia package into
+</I>&gt;<i>Mageia's database. Is that possible?
+</I>it is very very hard to get right
+
+&gt;<i>For instance....... let's say that you find an opensource-program in a repo
+</I>&gt;<i>for another distro (a good example is telegnome).
+</I>there is a tool named alien that can supposedly convert deb packages to
+rpm, the result may vary since debian and mandriva/mageia are laid out
+quite differently.
+
+&gt;<i>You either choose to download the package &amp; install it using a gui to use it
+</I>&gt;<i>in Mageia or you let the installer see what deps are missing and let it add
+</I>&gt;<i>theese to the installation.
+</I>or, you ask for it to be packaged for mageia, or even better you try and
+package it for mageia and submit it for inclusion, which will be a
+win-win situation, you get your package into the distro, and the
+community gains another maintainer :P
+
+L.
+
+--
+Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bluca at vodka.it</A>
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+<PRE>Luca Berra &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bluca at vodka.it</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-11-11
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:09:52AM +0100, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;For instance....... let's say that you find an opensource-program in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;repo for another distro (a good example is telegnome).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a tool named alien that can supposedly convert deb packages to
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm, the result may vary since debian and mandriva/mageia are laid out
+</I>&gt;<i> quite differently.
+</I>The problem about this is: Linux uses dynamically linked libraries. So your
+software from another distro won't work if it needs other versions of those
+libs.
+It can work without problems even if the libs aren't exactly the same, but
+when there are major changes in the used libs it won't. The better solution is
+to rebuild those packages for the distro you want to use the software on.
+Another thing is, using packages from other distros may bring problems in the
+future, when urpmi tries to upgrade the system and it won't be able to resolve
+some dependencies because the version of the third-distro package won't fit the
+requirements of some Mageia package.
+If you really do find some software you can't find, I'm sure there will be some
+way of putting a packaging request on the bugzilla.
+
+Oliver
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+ <B>Hoyt Duff</B>
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+<PRE>The Law of Two Feet
+
+<A HREF="http://socuteurl.com/pudgykissymidgypiggle">http://socuteurl.com/pudgykissymidgypiggle</A>
+
+A good read about how FOSS could work better.
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<PRE>2010/11/11 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> The Law of Two Feet
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://socuteurl.com/pudgykissymidgypiggle">http://socuteurl.com/pudgykissymidgypiggle</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A good read about how FOSS could work better.
+</I>
+Interesting read but ..... let me give an example from my personal
+experiences over the previous weeks:
+
+We (the founders) are meeting each Monday to discuss progress,
+schedules, ideas of setting up the Mageia infrastructure. Me, being
+neither a technician nor a developper are very often just sitting in
+front of my screen watching the experts talk about things and
+sometimes I have no clue what they are talking about. So, according to
+the LoTF I should rather spend my time thinking about ideas and ways
+to get those parts going where I can contribute.
+
+No.
+
+These meetings are giving me insights of the whole system I never had
+before and the things I am learning about the whole system will
+definitely help me in my future contributions to Mageia. My turf is
+communication, documentation, &quot;user relations&quot;, and &quot;community
+organisation and support&quot; and very often users ask things which I can
+explain better now with this new experience. I will be able to see
+issues now from both sides, not only from the user's side (as I did
+before).
+
+So, even if you can't contribute to the topics of a meeting you may
+benefit from being there by learning and gathering information. Ask
+your brain before you move your feet.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Wolfgang Bornath
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/11/11 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Law of Two Feet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://socuteurl.com/pudgykissymidgypiggle">http://socuteurl.com/pudgykissymidgypiggle</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A good read about how FOSS could work better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting read but ..... let me give an example from my personal
+</I>&gt;<i> experiences over the previous weeks:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We (the founders) are meeting each Monday to discuss progress,
+</I>&gt;<i> schedules, ideas of setting up the Mageia infrastructure. Me, being
+</I>&gt;<i> neither a technician nor a developper are very often just sitting in
+</I>&gt;<i> front of my screen watching the experts talk about things and
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes I have no clue what they are talking about. So, according to
+</I>&gt;<i> the LoTF I should rather spend my time thinking about ideas and ways
+</I>&gt;<i> to get those parts going where I can contribute.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These meetings are giving me insights of the whole system I never had
+</I>&gt;<i> before and the things I am learning about the whole system will
+</I>&gt;<i> definitely help me in my future contributions to Mageia. My turf is
+</I>&gt;<i> communication, documentation, &quot;user relations&quot;, &#160;and &quot;community
+</I>&gt;<i> organisation and support&quot; and very often users ask things which I can
+</I>&gt;<i> explain better now with this new experience. I will be able to see
+</I>&gt;<i> issues now from both sides, not only from the user's side (as I did
+</I>&gt;<i> before).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, even if you can't contribute to the topics of a meeting you may
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit from being there by learning and gathering information. Ask
+</I>&gt;<i> your brain before you move your feet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You are interpreting the Law of Two Feet too concretely.
+
+
+In your example, you are contributing by gaining a better
+understanding of the others in the group. This allows you to more
+effectively offer expertise when it's useful.
+
+You would not, I suspect, continue attending such meetings
+indefinitely in that capacity and would exercise the Law of Two feet
+or begin actively contributing.
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are interpreting the Law of Two Feet too concretely.
+</I>
+Yes, obviously. That's what I keep doing with all such &quot;laws&quot; or
+&quot;rules&quot;. Wherever there's a law/rule there's also somebody who checks
+for the holes.
+And besides, I'm German :)
+
+--
+wobo
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/11/11 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You are interpreting the Law of Two Feet too concretely.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, obviously. That's what I keep doing with all such &quot;laws&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;rules&quot;. Wherever there's a law/rule there's also somebody who checks
+</I>&gt;<i> for the holes.
+</I>&gt;<i> And besides, I'm German :)
+</I>
+
+
+
+um so besser
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<LI><A HREF="002993.html">[Mageia-discuss] Compability with other packaging-solutions
+</A><A NAME="2993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
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+<LI><A HREF="002994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Compability with other packaging-solutions
+</A><A NAME="2994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
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+<!--2 01289459392-01289461087-01289461723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Compability with other packaging-solutions
+</A><A NAME="2995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<LI><A HREF="002996.html">[Mageia-discuss] The Law of Two Feet
+</A><A NAME="2996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
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+<!--1 01289490050-01289493559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002997.html">[Mageia-discuss] The Law of Two Feet
+</A><A NAME="2997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<!--2 01289490050-01289493559-01289495536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002998.html">[Mageia-discuss] The Law of Two Feet
+</A><A NAME="2998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
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+<!--3 01289490050-01289493559-01289495536-01289496352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002999.html">[Mageia-discuss] The Law of Two Feet
+</A><A NAME="2999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<!--3 01289490050-01289493559-01289495536-01289496352-01289496948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003000.html">[Mageia-discuss] The Law of Two Feet
+</A><A NAME="3000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
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