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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> What the F#@&#167; does allow you to speak of stinginess !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva 2010.1 : last security update for openoffice (3.2-4.1) : 110
+</I>&gt;<i> Moctets
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Slow dialup connection (36kbits/sec max = in fact 25 kbits/sec):
+</I>&gt;<i> 10 hours for downloading it .... and happy when the connection is not
+</I>&gt;<i> broken !
+</I>&gt;<i> They reach half the amount of downloading for one month !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's for friends of mine, in France ! (30 km from my ADSL 6MBytes/sec)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They might use satellite connection but it has a limited bandwith
+</I>&gt;<i> allowance and it's a little expensive...
+</I>&gt;<i> They cannot use mobile broadband : it's a white zone !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They are retired : they spent 20 years of their life working for free
+</I>&gt;<i> for humanitary associations in backward countries, that's the reason
+</I>&gt;<i> why they couldn't spare money for now. They are really poor, but they
+</I>&gt;<i> are far from being stringy ... their past life would put some shame on
+</I>&gt;<i> you saying this !
+</I>&gt;<i> Being in the &quot;first world&quot; doesn't always mean being rich ! open your
+</I>&gt;<i> eyes !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Back to the subject :
+</I>&gt;<i> I downloaded the rpms from the repo (few seconds) and kept them in a
+</I>&gt;<i> directory after the update !
+</I>&gt;<i> Burned some CDs ! (for those friends, an some in Africa, )
+</I>&gt;<i> I know which rpms they installed, and which to keep when there's an
+</I>&gt;<i> update !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suppose some users would be interested to use Mageia if they knew
+</I>&gt;<i> there's a way to get CD of updates, and to update from those CD or DVD
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of using internet connection !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU-Linux intends to share freely the knowledge, and the way to access
+</I>&gt;<i> to it... for everyone!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Point well taken.
+Note that this 110M security update for OpenOffice would probably be
+less than a 2M delta update.
+That is, b**y-file update since the last major OpenOffice release - or
+Mandriva release, if using Go-oo available from Mandriva.
+So such delta updates would be useful as well.
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> * Michael Scherer (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 04 novembre 2010 &#224; 22:34 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sophie is not only a database of Mandriva RPM packages, but a database of RPM-based linux distributions' RPMs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From what I know, sophie is :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - scripts that update a huge RPM database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - the database in itself
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - an IRC bot + a web site (sophie.zarb.org)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - a giraffe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin started to rewrite sophie so that it can provide package informations to other websites or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> applications. Mageia-app-db will probably get information from sophie's database via XML-RPC or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> any other means.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Technically, even if Olivier hide it, there is a xml-rpc interface :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( except you can only use it like you use the irc bot so it can be quite
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ugly )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A rewrite of sophie is on the way, more focus this time of being
+</I>&gt;<i> reusable, with real XML-RPC, AJAX and maybe other Web 2.0 technologies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I got mad, I'll link it to facebook so Sophie will be able to have
+</I>&gt;<i> friends ! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Even software packages need friends :) :)
+&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> * andre999 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Luca Berra a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 08:16:22PM +0100, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * andre999 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Donald Stewart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 1 November 2010 10:24, Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-11-01 06:00, Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using delta rpms would reduce the size of the updates, or has my lack
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of understanding of delta roms got in the way?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Delta rpms, relative to the latest distro release, are long overdue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (And not only in the Mandriva world. Also for Mozilla, OpenOffice,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note that for much commercial software, updates are normally delta.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Such updates are often erroneously called patches.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This may be partly a limitation of rpm packages, or more the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> programs that install/update such packages. If so, it should be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> priority to correct this lack.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem of delta rpm is the work need to generated alls delta and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the space need on mirrors to host everything.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We must provide delta for each version to the next one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - main foo-1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - upd foo-2 D: 1-&gt;2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> foo-3 D: 2-&gt;3 and 1-&gt;3 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> foo-4 D: 3-&gt;4 and 1-&gt;4, 2-&gt;4 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What if delta 1-&gt;4 is bigger than the package itself ? and for 2-&gt;4 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As nanar points out delta rpm is a bad design
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a working concept would have been basing all deltas on a specific rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (i.e. the one in */release) and bundling entire files. in this case a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patch will grow at most as the original rpm, and you don't care about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> keeping incremental diffs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> L.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which is exactly what I was proposing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Delta by file relative to the official distro release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So to update from -1 to -3 I'll download around 300KB but to upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> from -2 to -3 I'll download the full rpm so maybe around 20MB (in the
+</I>&gt;<i> case the rpm is 20MB) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No no no no no !
+If from -1 to -3 is 300K, then upgrading from -2 to -3 would still be 300K.
+
+Of course, this raises the point that the names of the original files in
+-1 will have to be retained after updates, as well as the names of files
+replacing them, in order to make the additional updates. (And remove
+any interim updates subsequently replaced.)
+This could be facilitated by making the names of the replacement files
+in delta updates the original file name + a suffix corresponding to the
+delta update.
+
+Downloading the full rpm would only be need if one wanted to install a
+package not yet installed. And of course the latest delta update, if any.
+Of course, if full updates are retained, then one only downloads the
+full update, as it will be a full rpm.
+
+&gt;<i> It's a proposal like others...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not sure people having slow connections will enjoy this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>They will, as long as the proposal is well understood.
+And adequately explained, of course :)
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+<PRE>On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 00:54, andre999 wrote :
+&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * andre999 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So to update from -1 to -3 I'll download around 300KB but to upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from -2 to -3 I'll download the full rpm so maybe around 20MB (in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; case the rpm is 20MB) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No no no no no !
+</I>&gt;<i> If from -1 to -3 is 300K, then upgrading from -2 to -3 would still be
+</I>&gt;<i> 300K.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, this raises the point that the names of the original files in
+</I>&gt;<i> -1 will have to be retained after updates, as well as the names of files
+</I>&gt;<i> replacing them, in order to make the additional updates. (And remove
+</I>&gt;<i> any interim updates subsequently replaced.)
+</I>
+But what append if a file modified in an update is rolled back in a
+subsequent update?
+
+Let's say revision -1 of a package contains files A B and C, an update to
+revision -2 changes B to B', then it is realised that the problem was
+actually in file C and not B, so in revision -3 B' is replaced by original B
+and C is replaced by C'.
+So the delta between -1 and -3 only contains C', so if someone updates with
+the delta from revision -2 he will still have B' as the delta won't contain
+B which was in the original -1 revision.
+
+&gt;<i> This could be facilitated by making the names of the replacement files
+</I>&gt;<i> in delta updates the original file name + a suffix corresponding to the
+</I>&gt;<i> delta update.
+</I>
+I don't understand, the files need to have the correct name to work once
+installed, or are you proposing that on an update to keep all previous files
+by suffixing them?
+
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+<PRE>On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 07:56:31AM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i>On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 00:54, andre999 wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; * andre999 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So to update from -1 to -3 I'll download around 300KB but to upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; from -2 to -3 I'll download the full rpm so maybe around 20MB (in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; case the rpm is 20MB) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No no no no no !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If from -1 to -3 is 300K, then upgrading from -2 to -3 would still be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 300K.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Of course, this raises the point that the names of the original files in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -1 will have to be retained after updates, as well as the names of files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replacing them, in order to make the additional updates. (And remove
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any interim updates subsequently replaced.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>But what append if a file modified in an update is rolled back in a
+</I>&gt;<i>subsequent update?
+</I>
+it must be keept track of and repackaged in the new update
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> This could be facilitated by making the names of the replacement files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in delta updates the original file name + a suffix corresponding to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delta update.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I don't understand, the files need to have the correct name to work once
+</I>&gt;<i>installed, or are you proposing that on an update to keep all previous files
+</I>&gt;<i>by suffixing them?
+</I>
+this is not clear to me as well, Andr&#233;, could you rephrase?
+
+L.
+
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+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#195;&#169;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/11/6 Renaud (Ron)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OLGIATI&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I understand bending backward to help those people in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backward countries who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cannot download, but should we be bothered with those, in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the first world, who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are too stingy to get a proper Internet connection ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is such a question supposed to be?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do not see any difference between backward or forward
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> countries, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only see users with large bandwidth and such with small
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bandwidth. You
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> may never heard about it but there are large regions in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the so-called
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;First World&quot; which are not yet connected to the internet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in a proper
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> way (I know regions in Germany where you are lucky to have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a dial-up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connection). As I learned there are also regions in the US
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as far industrialized as your favourite &quot;backward country&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then there is the cost of fast connections - not everybody
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> money to pay for 6MBit lines in countries where such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connections are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expensive. And not everybody can put internet costs on top
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of his
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> priority list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, we should be bothered with those.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm in the region of Montr&#195;&#169;al, Canada, where broadband is
+</I>&gt;<i> common, but high bandwidth is *very* expensive.
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I have slow ADSL (technically broadband), but
+</I>&gt;<i> with a not very high monthly limit.
+</I>&gt;<i> Luckily, I can take my portable to the local library to
+</I>&gt;<i> download my Mandriva DVDs for free.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most people in this supposedly favored region do not have
+</I>&gt;<i> this option.
+</I>&gt;<i> (i.e., no ADSL or not high limit or the local library
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't provide free Internet or no portable.)
+</I>&lt;snip&gt;
+
+Likewise, Italy has high bandwidth, but I'm in a rural area
+without broadband where dial-up internet is unusable because
+the connection is too intermittent, short-lived and erratic.
+The only way of getting onto the internet is by mobile
+broadband - and even that's not particularly fast in this
+location.
+
+Doug
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+&gt;<i> I added <A HREF="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586</A> to
+</I>&gt;<i> my mirrors list
+</I>
+ So did I, and all went well with the install of 4.5.2.
+
+ Just one question: Is that mirrors list entry a one-off entry, i.e.
+should be removed as soon as 4.5.2 has been installed?
+
+If so, how do we get updates to 4.5.2?!
+
+--
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+ <B>Doug Lytle</B>
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+<PRE>Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just one question: Is that mirrors list entry a one-off entry, i.e.
+</I>&gt;<i> should be removed as soon as 4.5.2 has been installed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I usually just leave it in place.
+
+When (if?) 4.5.3 becomes available, I change the number in the urpmi.cfg
+to match the release and then do the upgrade again.
+
+Doug
+
+--
+Ben Franklin quote:
+
+&quot;Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.&quot;
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+<PRE>2010/11/7 Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:25:53 -0400, Doug Lytle wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I added <A HREF="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586</A> to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my mirrors list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; So did I, and all went well with the install of 4.5.2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Just one question: Is that mirrors list entry a one-off entry, i.e.
+</I>&gt;<i> should be removed as soon as 4.5.2 has been installed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so, how do we get updates to 4.5.2?!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, that comes &quot;as is&quot;, no updates are promised as this is an
+unofficial repo the packages aren't built on the mdv Buildsystem; so
+the packager builds it on his own machine (or asks a friend to build
+one arch and he builds the other... etc).
+
+You should leave it enabled, sometimes when you want to install more
+packages some stuff will be downloaded from there. Note that
+ftp.kde.org doesn't keep the mirror there indefinitely, at some point
+(e.g. when a new stable kde version is out) they delete the old ones,
+to save space.. etc.
+
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+&gt;<i> You should leave it enabled,
+</I>
+ OK - many thanks, Ahmad!
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+<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</A>
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+&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;subsequent update?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it must be keept track of and repackaged in the new update
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+&gt;<i> You should leave it enabled, sometimes when you want to install more
+</I>&gt;<i> packages some stuff will be downloaded from there.
+</I>
+ Just discovered that - with that source enabled - MCC Software
+Update offers me an update to OpenOffice 3.2!
+
+If I untick the source in MCC, it doesn't offer it.
+
+Will hold off that, on the assumption that Mandriva will offer the
+OO update routinely, without the 4.5.2 source selected.
+
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+
+
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-fundadoras-de-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-fundadoras-de-mageia</A>
+
+Cheers
+
+2010/11/7 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> I uploaded the video with greek subtitles
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+In portugu&#234;s (pt-br) and english subtitle:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJGGx9_DzE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJGGx9_DzE</A>
+
+Hugs
+
+MacXi
+
+Em Domingo 07 Novembro 2010, &#224;s 18:58:33, Gonzalo Igartua escreveu:
+&gt;<i> In spanish subtitles
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-funda">http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-funda</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> doras-de-mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/11/7 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I uploaded the video with greek subtitles
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+ <B>Luca Berra</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 08:02:33PM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i>On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 09:13, Luca Berra wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;But what append if a file modified in an update is rolled back in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;subsequent update?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it must be keept track of and repackaged in the new update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Then the delta cannot be made only by comparing the latest update with the
+</I>&gt;<i>original released package
+</I>i never stated that was the aim.
+&gt;<i> you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.
+</I>
+you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt; you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them
+</I>
+No, because a roll back of a file can happen on any update. If a file is
+changed in release n-2 and rolled back in n-1, if you only consider packages
+1 n-1 and n you miss the roll back for the people who updated to n-2 but
+missed the update to n-1.
+So the system that will create the deltas must have access to every update
+published since the release, or at least maintain a list of all the files
+that changed in any update. And not only changes in the files themselves,
+but also to their meta-informations, like ownership and mode, and other rpm-
+related meta-informations like %doc or %config.
+
+--
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+<LI><A HREF="002954.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]
+</A><A NAME="2954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002941.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db
+</A><A NAME="2941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002940.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002942.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002943.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002944.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002945.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002951.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002955.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002956.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Nov 7 23:43:46 CET 2010</i><br>
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+ <h1>7 November 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Nov 7 00:08:27 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Nov 7 23:43:46 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 17<p>
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+
+<!--0 01289084907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002940.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01289085137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002941.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db
+</A><A NAME="2941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01289087692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002942.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01289087692-01289112991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002943.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01289087692-01289112991-01289117610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002944.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01289087692-01289112991-01289117610-01289156553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002951.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01289087692-01289112991-01289117610-01289156553-01289165596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002955.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01289087692-01289112991-01289117610-01289156553-01289165596-01289169826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002956.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01289123283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002945.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01289135628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002946.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01289135628-01289136019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002947.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01289135628-01289137442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002948.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01289135628-01289137442-01289141689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002949.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01289135628-01289137442-01289157808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002952.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01289155844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002950.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]
+</A><A NAME="2950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01289155844-01289163513- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002953.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]
+</A><A NAME="2953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01289155844-01289163513-01289166028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002954.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]
+</A><A NAME="2954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Nov 7 23:43:46 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Nov 7 23:43:51 CET 2010</i>
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