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+ <B>david</B>
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+ <I>Fri Nov 5 18:29:57 CET 2010</I>
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+Le 05/11/2010 03:12, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-11-02 08:02, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Weak point:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be what people expect of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> original
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release, rather the contrary.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tested by the person building the rpm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Backports? Who is talking about backports?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We are talking about normal security and bug-fix updates here.
+</I>&gt;<i> If one selects &quot;all updates&quot; in Rpmdrake, it includes backports, if
+</I>&gt;<i> such repositorys are enabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Exactly, that's why it make sense to release an updated iso with them
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> included.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agreed, we are not talking about backports at all. This issue is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about giving out an ISO disk with all official updates (to that date)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to people who cannot have their slow telephone hookup tied up for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> day to download our Mageia product or to user who have no hookup to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the internet at all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Surely, the official updates have been thoroughly tested just as the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> original release? It not, then a warning should be put out to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users/members that the official updates do not have the same level of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> QA as the original release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even bugfixes often have errors. Many times I've seen bugfixes of
+</I>&gt;<i> bugfixes, and sometimes bugfixes of bugfixes of bugfixes. (If you
+</I>&gt;<i> read the description.)
+</I>&gt;<i> If we go for incremental rpms (very much smaller), the only advantage
+</I>&gt;<i> I see is for those without Internet connexion.
+</I>&gt;<i> In that case, they wouldn't likely be vulnerable to security problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> So that leaves (other) bugfixes.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is something that I think, for the time being at least, can be
+</I>&gt;<i> best adressed on an individual or local community basis.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There is a solution called draklive. Maybe could it be usefull to take
+advantage of this tool to rebuild automatically by a script on the
+servers the isos from updated repositories. I do it locally for my work
+to install mdv rapidly.
+David
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