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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Fri Nov 5 03:12:19 CET 2010</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-11-02 08:02, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Weak point:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be what people expect of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> original
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release, rather the contrary.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tested by the person building the rpm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Backports? Who is talking about backports?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We are talking about normal security and bug-fix updates here.
+</I>If one selects &quot;all updates&quot; in Rpmdrake, it includes backports, if such
+repositorys are enabled.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Exactly, that's why it make sense to release an updated iso with them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> included.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed, we are not talking about backports at all. This issue is about
+</I>&gt;<i> giving out an ISO disk with all official updates (to that date) to
+</I>&gt;<i> people who cannot have their slow telephone hookup tied up for the day
+</I>&gt;<i> to download our Mageia product or to user who have no hookup to the
+</I>&gt;<i> internet at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Surely, the official updates have been thoroughly tested just as the
+</I>&gt;<i> original release? It not, then a warning should be put out to
+</I>&gt;<i> users/members that the official updates do not have the same level of
+</I>&gt;<i> QA as the original release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Even bugfixes often have errors. Many times I've seen bugfixes of
+bugfixes, and sometimes bugfixes of bugfixes of bugfixes. (If you read
+the description.)
+If we go for incremental rpms (very much smaller), the only advantage I
+see is for those without Internet connexion.
+In that case, they wouldn't likely be vulnerable to security problems.
+ So that leaves (other) bugfixes.
+This is something that I think, for the time being at least, can be best
+adressed on an individual or local community basis.
+
+- Andr&#233;
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