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Why not +</I>>><i> create a +</I>>><i> Mageia One with only basic languages? Rest of translations can be +</I>>><i> downloaded +</I>>><i> during installation. +</I>Possibly satisfactory for those with fast connexions and large +bandwidth, but unsuitable for those with slow connexions and/or limited +bandwidth. That is one failing of Ubuntu. +>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And I agree: we can do something like a "Mageia Update Pack" when +</I>>><i> each month we +</I>>><i> create an updates iso with all updates from last month. +</I>It would be better to have all the updates since the last release, to +keep a more stable base. If packages are available as incremental +updates since the last release, the size of such updates will be +considerably smaller. That way we could potentially produce update CDs +at any time, from an incremental update repository. +><i> +</I>><i> OK, you know what I'll say to this, I like it! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Remembering that we are trying to keep the amount of data down for +</I>><i> dial-up connections: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Re: Mageia One: I think the idea behind the iso's was to try to divide +</I>><i> earth into 6 "language" areas in +</I>Actually only 2 for Gnome, 4 for KDE. +><i> the hopes of supplying an iso that was specifically targetted to each +</I>><i> specific areas. If we were to offer only 1 basic iso how much more +</I>><i> data would a user have to potentially need to download and would this +</I>><i> add a considerable time to her/his download time? +</I>Once (when I had more limited space on my main partition) I removed all +unwanted language files - not counting language-specific rpms, which +were not installed - and reduced the total space used by over 15%. +In the space still used, were all system-wide configuration files and +log files, as well as various temporary files. So considering that +there are many language-specific rpms, I would't be surprised if there +were 20% less space for applications on the all-languages CD. + +><i> As the original thread spoke of supplying a member with a Mageia disc +</I>><i> from a local Community, would the Community be able to provide a copy +</I>><i> of the Mageia One disc along with the translation required by the +</I>><i> user? Would this be possible? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Re: the main Mageia ISO: a "Mageia Update Pack" would be great. I +</I>><i> wonder, why would Mageia not offer this by default for download? Is +</I>><i> there a reason for this? +</I>One could always download the update repositories, which would be the +equivalent. +Rpmdrake could be modified to facilitate this. +However very few users would have close to all these packages installed +- and certainly not many bandwidth-limited users, as to do so would +require a very large amount of disk space. + +On reflection, it would probably be much more useful to have incremental +updates for individual packages, for the files changed in the package +since the last distro release. +Typically much less than 10% of the size of the full package; probably +more like 1%. + +Another post mentioned that all the updates from one release to the next +accumulated to 700M, or the size of a CD. It would be surprising if a +typical installation used more than 10% of the packages available, thus +not more than 70M, and a typical bandwidth-limited installation would be +much smaller. +So with incremental update rpms, we are talking about 7M or less for a +typical installation over 6 months, or about 1M/month, and much less for +a bandwidth limited installation. +Thus incremental updates seems to be a better solution for most +bandwidth limited users. +However CDs of updates could always be done on an ad hoc basis. +><i> +</I>><i> As the original thread was about supplying users with a copy of a +</I>><i> Mageia disk, the local Community could then supply the user with a +</I>><i> copy of the "Mageia Update Pack" disc. +</I>Another point : such a disc would only be up to date (or almost) at the +moment of its creation. 2 days later, it would almost assuredly be +outdated. +><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +my 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-discuss] New Logo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2894">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2894">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2894">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2894">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |