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Walsh</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288196075.4584.16.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 18:14:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2700">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2700">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2700">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2700">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 00:16 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/10/26 George J. Walsh <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +</I>><i> >> Le 2010-10-26 10:23, Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>><i> >> > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> >> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin +</I>><i> >> >> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> >> >>> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>><i> >> >>> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>><i> >> >>> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>><i> >> >>> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>><i> >> >>> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>><i> >> >>> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>><i> >> >>> e.g. "View". +</I>><i> >> >>> +</I>><i> >> >> I second this idea. +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > I third it. +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > Dale Huckeby +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Sounds good to me too! +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> I fourth it. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Marc +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > One word of support comes to mind for this one: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Essential +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The problem is: +</I>><i> If you hide too much ("Programs with GUI") the forums are crowded with +</I>><i> threads like +</I>><i> - "Install foo from the MCC" +</I>><i> - "I can't find it in the software management" +</I>><i> - "Did you set your media?" +</I>><i> - "Yes, foo is not there." +</I>><i> - "Did you change view to 'All'?" +</I>><i> - "Ah! Now I see it - very confusing!" +</I>><i> There were times when such postings were more than 10 per month! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you hide too few like "All" the unexperienced user is confused. He +</I>><i> will be surely confused by a list of options he hasn't any clue what +</I>><i> they mean. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A solution could be to +</I>><i> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>><i> 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Example: +</I>><i> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. :) +</I> +Yes, appreciate what your are suggesting. + +I have, over the years, developed a detailed 40 page configuration guide +which is amended with each 'stable' release, although I have worked in +the cooker environment for some 9 years now. We start with 'custom', +make very minimal changes in the selection list, make GNOME the desktop +and go on from there .... + +Once the system is up and running, we have a detailed list of packages +to be installed via urpmi to meet our own requirements. + +Frankly, I value highly the need for the search utility continuing to +search for everything all the time. This is how I began to appreciate +just how much was 'under the hood'. I do not use the gui groupings to +select packages after the initial install, because I find it repetitive +and time consuming, not to mention incomplete. That is NOT to say I +don't think it serves any purpose, it just doesn't for me. + +I don't think we need add extra labels to what we have - even the much +derided 'newbie' knows what a search is, and the power of that search is +an eye-opener for most folks. It invites the curious to learn which is a +great outcome, no? + +George + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2700">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2700">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2700">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2700">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |