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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002550.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002550.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e9cfefd8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002550.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3C20101022170300.GB31231%40maude.comedia.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002551.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement</H1> + <B>Luca Berra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3C20101022170300.GB31231%40maude.comedia.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement">bluca at vodka.it + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 22 19:03:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2550">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2550">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2550">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2550">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:04:16AM -0400, andré wrote: +>>><i> Also note that many commercial games have a free (at least in cost) Linux +</I>>>><i> version. +</I>>><i> which won't ever be included in mageia +</I>><i> And why not ? If I'm not mistaken, at least some of the games in Mandriva +</I>><i> have a commercial version. As does OpenOffice, for example. +</I>because most of free as in beer games have restriction on distribution + +L. + +-- +Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bluca at vodka.it</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2550">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2550">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2550">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2550">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002551.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002551.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..19712a23e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002551.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9sjgo%24mde%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002550.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002552.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9sjgo%24mde%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 22 20:00:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2551">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2551">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2551">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2551">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-21 07:49, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:04, andré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> Luca Berra a écrit : +</I>>>><i> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 02:13:34AM -0400, andré wrote: +</I>>>>><i> Also note that many commercial games have a free (at least in cost) Linux +</I>>>>><i> version. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> which won't ever be included in mageia +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And why not ? If I'm not mistaken, at least some of the games in Mandriva +</I>>><i> have a commercial version. As does OpenOffice, for example. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Moreover, nothing would prevent a (or severals) repository for games, +</I>><i> commercial software (ie, paid for), even proprietary software, to be +</I>><i> setup specifically for Mageia. Not our focus at this time, but there +</I>><i> no prevention from that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Whether it is included as a default repository or not, whether we +</I>><i> provide info/links/facilities for it ("app store" like), whether it +</I>><i> actually gets populated with great content and gets used are other +</I>><i> points. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I> +I think there was talk of this somewhere in the "server" discussion and +the space it would require would not make this possible. I do however +like the idea of an "app store" à la Ubuntu for music. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2551">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2551">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2551">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2551">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002552.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002552.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a12606400 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/002552.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC1FACA.8050900%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002551.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC1FACA.8050900%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 22 22:57:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2552">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2552">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2552">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2552">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>There is a secondary issue tied to the questions discussed in this +thread: is it good strategy to do all package selection quite early +during system generation? At present, package selection looks to me as +an integral part of the system generation process, "burned" onto the +installation media. Must that be so? has this question already been +discussed? + +Naively, I see an alternative: cut package selection into 2 parts: + +(1) have system installation start by configuring a minimum set of +packages, those that are strictly necessary to obtain a running system +for the hardware and the desktop environment auto-detected / user-selected. + +(2) install additional packages that customise the system to the profile +desired by the user only at the end of system generation - that could +even be delayed to the time the system does its first bootstrap (that +could still be done in a way that is transparent to users who want an +out-of-the-box installation). + +The advantage I see to such an alternative is that it moves the issue of +targetting (customisation to the profile a user or an +apoplication-specific set of users want) out of system generation and +makes the corresponding decisions at release definition easier. To some +degree that may correspond to what RHEL - or is it Scientific Linux? - +propose. + +To play with this idea: the second phase might be done with a tool that +could also be available when the system runs under user control, and +allow the user to change / enrich his profile (without requiring him to +go down to the level of urpmi and installing task-xxx). + +A small additional advantage is that this might help to remove some of +the "installation-stress" for new users: when they install their first +system, the questions on detailed package selection (if the user wants +that) would come at a time when the system is basically ready to run and +the user has received his first "congratulation" message: when he has +stopped being scared. + +Please, dont misunderstand: Mageia needs to turn out the first release +as rapidly and safely as possible - I do not suggest to modify things +now. But - given the present discussion - considering a more flexible +way of doing package selection and profiling would open up a different +background to the present discussion, it might be helpful at mid-range. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2552">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2552">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2552">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2552">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6d41ce78c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 22 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>22 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 22 19:03:00 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 22 22:57:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 3<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2550"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2552"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2551"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Oct 22 22:57:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Oct 22 22:57:51 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bbfa1fd17 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 22 October 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>22 October 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 22 19:03:00 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 22 22:57:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 3<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2550"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2551"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2552"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Oct 22 22:57:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Oct 22 22:57:51 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101022/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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