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It's part of the reason that we have failed to +</I>><i> > conquer the desktop. If Android were a "community" mobile distribution, +</I>><i> > it would not be in the position that it currently occupies. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking +</I>><i> > of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how +</I>><i> > successful companies design their products. Think about what has made +</I>><i> > Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people +</I>><i> > need and building it, before they even realize that they need it. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The whole idea of listening to thousands of opinions on how a +</I>><i> > distribution should be designed stymies real progress, especially when +</I>><i> > most of those opinions are not based on a real understanding of the +</I>><i> > subject matter. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > You get a group of people who have a certain degree of expertize in their +</I>><i> > field, and get them to design and build a product. In this particular +</I>><i> > case it should be very easy. Just look around. There are hundreds of +</I>><i> > distributions that we can co-opt features from and then make them better. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Contrary to android and macos (and mandriva) which are backed by +</I>><i> enterprises, mageia is a community project. +</I>><i> So if you throw away the community, there is nothing left. +</I> +No one is advocating throwing away the community, but being part of a +community has it's issues, decision making speed is one of them. In a +corporate environment people are hired to do a particular job, they are hired +for their expertise in their field and they, for that reason, have the major +in any policy in their particular area of responsibility. However in a +Community based OSS project everybody has the opportunity to have their say +and that can lead to conflict, god knows I sometimes just shout at the screen: +"JUST LET ME DO MY JOB, I HAPPEN TO BE GOOD AT IT!!" and yea I can be a bit +forceful at times. :D + +However, it is healthy and it's a strength that Corporates don't have. +Anybody who's been on big development projects will be able to rant long and +Loud about those F**** marketing guys keep changing the spec and we're going +way over budget and I'm going to...[insert mutilation of choice]..to those +a@%*holes. + +Well this Marketing/Training guy, often says the same thing about Project +Managers. :/ A good project manager is gift from the gods, because he has a +wide open communication track with HR and Marketing because he realises that +Users aren't developers, and the gets market research and User experience +surveys done before the project starts. All too rare sometimes I think. An +RFP or spec often gets written with no consideration other than scratching the +Writers itch and the problems start. However that's another treatise +entirely! :) + +The point is that sometimes it's better to step back and say "OK, this isn't +my field, let the guys whose field it is get on with it." Let me stress +however the sometimes and definitely not always. + +Now in the Mageia Marketing group we have Teachers with deep pedagogical +knowledge, we have Marketers and Communications people who are bloody good at +what they do, who have been involved in marketing FOSS projects for years +right up to and including a PHD in FOSS marketing. I hold it up as a huge +privilege to work with this group of excellent people, and guess what, we are +a community, a community with a shared goal, to market Mageia in the best way +we know how. + +I look to the Founders, I look at our Marketing team and I look at the wider +contributing community and I seriously believe that if Redmond isn't quaking +in it's boots it should be. + +Cheers +GL + + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2457">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2457">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2457">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2457">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |