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That shows you care. And +that's great. At times, we may disagree with each other, we may not +manage properly yet how we say things, we may look or be a bit slow or +too fast. But we still can make something together - provided we aim +something in common, we trust and respect each other and we know how +to step down and apologize when needed. + +That's not to say it's easy. It's probably the hardest part. We just +have to take it into account and build our way with it. + + +A quick note the about logo proposals thing. Right, we may pause it, +however everyone started to propose logos even before we talked about +it; so at least we reframe the proposals a bit without making a full +stop. That gives more info to graphic designers at this point and we +can refine the technical specs as well. + + +So... + +#1 Yes, marketing has a say in how we do things in this project. So +does each team. We didn't listed all these teams without intending to +articulate their contributions. + +One of the crucial points in this project is to make everyone respect +and understand each other; knowledge, feelings, opinions, unknowns are +all in the game and we all have to learn how to deal with this to go +forward. + +Marketing, communication (and coordination/inclusion into the project +main decisions) are indeed, in our inherited culture, not quite known +& understood. Each team has its own culture, process. Without all +becoming experts of each others' specialties, we need to understand, +value and trust our reciprocal contributions to benefit the whole +project. + +Of course we are in a Open Source project so it makes some teams more +in technical power of decision (because they don't approve or because +they don't deliver or because there are technical obstacles or...). +That's true and that makes even more important that all participants +acknowledge that we all have + +So whether it takes more time, more discussion, an agreement or it's +up to the Council or the Board to decide in last resort. We will +strive to base our decisions on three things: project mission, values +and facts. Feelings are here as "warning signals" of dissonance and +understood as such; and should be resolved hopefully. + +Disagreements may appear from diverse reasons; one may be that we've +not been specific enough about the direction (because we didn't or +because we still don't know well enough how to be specific enough; +that's something to refine as well). + + +#2. Mageia.org does not target desktop users especially. Well, we do; +as we do target servers and embedded devices. As well. + +Nor does it compete with other Linux distributions or other operating +systems. Yes, we do compete in some way. But we don't see ourselves +like this at first. + +The big difference we expect for Mageia.org is not to compete, but to +become a inter-disciplinary collaboration community of excellence for +free/libre projects; the Mageia Linux distribution is only one (huge, +central and first) "game" in this. As a project, as a platform, as a +product, as a showcase. + +As a hint, two teams were not listed for now, because we thought that +we need to roll out our first working ISO first and because we didn't +explained how their role would fit: ergonomics/users study and +electronics/hardware devices. + +The goal is not only to produce a ~horizontal Linux-based system that +will empower people; it's to create the conditions to build ~vertical +solutions with it, within or from the Mageia.org community. + +Mageia.org is not a commercial project but a community project; where +people/companies will bring in and bring from. Both as users and as +contributors. + +That does not prevent to design it through marketing, but that must be +aligned with the project direction. + + +So, to draw this in perspective now, here are the next big milestones +we have in sight for the coming months. That does not define long term +strategy (which is still buried in the announcement and in the +vision/mission statements being worked on) but I guess it will help: + + 1. releasing a test drive ISO before the end of November; this is to +test drive four things: + * packaging/translation/build system as a whole, + * community council and teams work & coordination, + * final product stability, + * concurrent discussions for future plans. + + 2. having December to cool down and prepare the next run; having end +of December free of any stress in this regard; + + 3. preparing coming FOSDEM in February 2011; where we shall meet more +people to discuss future and hot topics. + +Concurrent to these, Mageia.org community must form and learn on itself. + +For the marketing team, for instance, the first step could to market +the project itself toward people that will _contribute to it_, first. + +That's who we want to work with and who we want to be in love with the +product, the technology, the project and the processes first. That's +who we want to care about first. Then we will have to see how what we +love can be a fit for other people. + +(and no, that doesn't exclude all users, but only users that don't +expect to contribute to the project directly) + +That helps in three ways: + - helping refine the whole project vision as whole and advocate it; + - help contributors get a firmer grasp on who they are, and what +they're going to build; + - inform users community of what it may be going to look like. + +This, with time, will help to discuss targets with more data and more +perspective. For everyone. Notwithstanding that other teams have quite +a lot of work as well and may need to advocate it as well. + +Yes, that's a short roadmap. We can expect to have a larger one later. +But that's what we have to focus on at this time. + +We will dig into some of these points in dedicated meetings in the +next days (marketing/communication, roadmap and weekly progress). + + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2398">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2398">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2398">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2398">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |