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Magallón</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014111033.31c6fa0f%40werewolf.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">jamagallon at ono.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 11:10:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2388">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2388">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2388">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2388">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:37:29 +1300, Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 14:18:02 Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> > I'm with wobo and Margot here, I fear this 'targeting' will simply result +</I>><i> > in restricting our potential user-base (i.e. rather than attracting more +</I>><i> > users it will turn off many users). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to try +</I>><i> to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer to be the +</I>><i> best we can be to those who grow to love the brand. +</I>><i> +</I> +Wrong, from my POV. +Its Linux. Linux has it all. You just have to choose what you want in +your install, desktop software, server software or both. + +An example. Our admins at the university choose CentOS as their distro +for labs and servers. CentOS is marketed as a RHEL derivative, focused +on server and stability. Why CentOS ? Its RHEL but with free +support. What about desktop software ? Its generally outated. What +about HW support ? Same. CentOS people patches their soft, but what +do you prefer, a home patched ancient kernel or an updated one with the real +official and tested fixes ? If they wanted the best of both worlds +they could choose Mandriva for labs desktops and CentOS for servers, +if they are so fond of CentOS as server. But noooone wants to admin two +linux distros. + +But me, I have always intalled Mandriva both for desktops and for servers. +Reasons: +- I had the best hw support +- I had updated software +- It is stable +- I could use the SAME distro (even the same CD) to install a desktop + box for development, for office work, or a server with samba and ldap + and apache, or a HPC cluster with openmpi. + +Why ? I know Mandriva, I know it has all the soft that I need for all +fields, and yes, ONE SIZE FITS ALL my meeds. But that is because I +know Mandriva. Why Mandriva has no fame in the big picture of +servers ? Because someone marketed it time ago as a desktop distro. +But as a server is much better than any CentOS or Ubuntu out there. +But nobody knows... + +Lets suppose the marketing decissions focus Mageia on desktop, and there +is no effort in packaging things like MPI, the latest version of gcc, +or no cluster filesystem. I don't want to use two distros. I don't like +to go to external repos (like one has to do in CentOS) to get some +common software, or a decently updated version of common things. +I would have to look for another option. Now I like Mandriva because +it has _all_ the _latest_ things I need. + +><i> That's the difference. In these days of online build services there is +</I>><i> arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on +</I>><i> different media for different markets and completely different branding for +</I>><i> each set. +</I>><i> +</I> +I would not do the branding part. That's like using Ubuntu for desktops +and RHEL for servers. It becomes using two different distros in the end. +And usually people don't like that. + +><i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number of +</I>><i> computer users and you will see that the "one size fits all" does not equal +</I>><i> significant market share. +</I> +Two examples (from what I have seen, I know its not the general rule...): +- Fedora/Ubuntu users: I want a modern desktop. I don't mind 'bout my + samba being modern and hit some recent obscure undisclosed bug. +- RHEL/CentOS: I want a 3 years old samba, tested and debugged. + I don't mind about firefox being still 3.0. + +Why can't we have a distro that says 'Here you have the latest stable server +software, with the latest hardware kernel support, all packed under the +best looking desktop ever!!!'. Is it hard to do ? Mandriva community was doing. + +No focus, state clearly you have all and user just have to choose. +For each interest group, just say 'what do you want, what do you need... +here it is!'. + +Just my POV... + +-- +J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com> \ Software is like sex: + \ It's better when it's free +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2388">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2388">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2388">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2388">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |