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+ <B>doug</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/10/10 19:30, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;Apologies - I've lost your post about the kernel not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recognising your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dongle; and please forgive me if this is already known to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My dongle wasn't recognised as such by the MDV 2009.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lsusb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usb-storage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usbserial.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usb-modeswitch (from rpmfind.net)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wvdial
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (kppp I had already installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I know usb-modeswitch isn't dongle-specific.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However it was essential to attach the dongle BEFORE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> booting up for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mode switch to take place, otherwise it was just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recognised as a simple
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> memory stick.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ls -alrt /dev/ttyUSB* showed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/ttyUSB2 /dev/ttyUSB3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After that there were some configuration steps to carry out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks! I'll give it a try this weekend. It would be awesome
+</I>&gt;<i> if this worked out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>FYI. These are the details from the crib sheet I used to set
+it up:
+
+&lt;quote&gt;
+as root, run lsusb:
+Bus 003 Device 005: ID 19d2:0002 ONDA Communication S.p.A.
+ET502HS/MT505UP ZTE MF632
+
+as root, run 'wvdialconf' to create /etc/wvdial.conf, then
+edit wvdial.conf to the following:
+
+[Dialer Defaults]
+Modem = /dev/ttyUSB1
+Baud = 921600
+Init1 = ATZ
+Init2 = AT+CGDCONT=1,&quot;IP&quot;,&quot;ibox.tim.it&quot;,,0,0
+ISDN = 0
+Modem Type = Analog Modem
+Carrier Check = No
+Phone = *99#
+Username = abcd
+Password = 1234
+
+
+(valid configuration for Alice Mobile: For other operators
+vary the initialization string that contains the Init2 APN -
+I can't help here)
+
+To connect to the internet
+run 'wvdial' as root
+
+OR preferably alter 'sudoers' file:
+ run 'visudo '
+Add line
+&quot;dougb hplaptop = NOPASSWD /usr/bin/wvdial&quot;
+and then to connect to the internet
+run 'sudo wvdial'
+&#8230;........................................................................................
+I get the following output:
+
+--&gt; WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60
+--&gt; Cannot get information for serial port.
+--&gt; Initializing modem.
+--&gt; Sending: ATZ
+ATZ
+OK
+--&gt; Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,&quot;IP&quot;,&quot;ibox.tim..it&quot;,,0,0
+AT+CGDCONT=1,&quot;IP&quot;,&quot;ibox.tim..it&quot;,,0,0
+OK
+--&gt; Modem initialized.
+--&gt; Sending: ATDT*99#
+--&gt; Waiting for carrier.
+ATDT*99#
+CONNECT
+--&gt; Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt.
+(There's usually a message saying that it's given up waiting
+for a prompt and is going ahead regardless)
+then, when the IP addresses are checked, we will .be..
+CONNECTED!
+
+Finally close with CRTL+C
+
+&lt;end quote&gt;
+
+
+
+(I've now put 'sudo wvdial' in a script and have a Custom
+Application in an icon of a Gnome panel that runs it in a
+terminal. So it's called by a single mouse click).
+
+HTH in getting you started.
+
+Doug
+
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+ <B>Adrien Touminet</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows">worldmania at free.fr
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+<PRE> Hello everyone !
+
+Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+about that ?
+
+cordially
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+<PRE>On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 08:09 -0700, Adrien Touminet wrote:
+&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>Hmm, I think That is what VMware Player is for.
+
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
+2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cordially
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+<PRE>Le 09/10/2010 17:46, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cordially
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please avoid top-posting...
+
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please avoid top-posting...
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>
+I'm sorry it happened by mistake (i used another client)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+
+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, there's more people using Laptop than Desktop today.
+
+With laptop, most of the time Windows is already installed on the machine,
+
+which means something easier to install is needed.
+
+----
+But not something like wubi...I hope it's something that can transfer the
+
+exist system into something like virtual machine and can be launch from
+grub.
+
+Currently we still have to install from Live System/Direct Installer,
+which is
+
+still hard and scared to newbie, especially for people used to have
+pre-installed
+
+system on their system.
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+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about that ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cordially
+</I>Linux installation on a windows box is very easy at least Mandriva. The
+biggest problem if you only have a windows box will be to burn the Mandriva
+ISO on a DVD
+--
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+<PRE> Le 09/10/2010 18:25, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, October 09, 2010 08:46:27 am Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cordially
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux installation on a windows box is very easy at least Mandriva. The
+</I>&gt;<i> biggest problem if you only have a windows box will be to burn the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO on a DVD
+</I>
+
+yes it's the idea, a lot of people don't know how burn a iso. I say wub
+for exemple because i know some people who use it and few month ago
+switch completly to linux so we like it or not but i think it is useful
+to propose it.
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+ from Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about that ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>
+Better offer a liveCD, with an installer icon on the desktop a la Mandriva.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Fortunate is he for whom the belle toils.
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+<PRE>On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 18:24, Kira wrote :
+&gt;<i> No, there's more people using Laptop than Desktop today.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With laptop, most of the time Windows is already installed on the
+</I>&gt;<i> machine,
+</I>
+Well, windows is pre-installed on most desktop too anyway, and has been for
+more than a decade.
+
+&gt;<i> which means something easier to install is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i> But not something like wubi...I hope it's something that can transfer the
+</I>&gt;<i> exist system into something like virtual machine and can be launch from
+</I>&gt;<i> grub.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently we still have to install from Live System/Direct Installer,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is still hard and scared to newbie, especially for people used to
+</I>&gt;<i> have pre-installed system on their system.
+</I>
+The install of most major distributions (excluding at least debian, I
+haven't tested all) is already pretty easy, if it is still to complicated
+(or scary) for some people (and I agree that many people may be scared,
+although I believe most would be able to handle it) then they should not do
+it alone.
+
+That's what LUGs and install parties are for, help people with the (more
+complicated) first step.
+
+The install of a full OS is not as easy as installing a normal program (or
+even installing some system component for your actual OS) and should not be
+presented as such, as there is at least the partitioning which is a risky
+operation. (what would happen if the user decide he wants to stop the
+install while shrinking his partition?)
+
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+<PRE>On Saturday, October 09, 2010 11:16:00 am Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i> On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 18:24, Kira wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, there's more people using Laptop than Desktop today.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; With laptop, most of the time Windows is already installed on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; machine,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, windows is pre-installed on most desktop too anyway, and has been for
+</I>&gt;<i> more than a decade.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which means something easier to install is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But not something like wubi...I hope it's something that can transfer the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exist system into something like virtual machine and can be launch from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; grub.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Currently we still have to install from Live System/Direct Installer,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which is still hard and scared to newbie, especially for people used to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have pre-installed system on their system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The install of most major distributions (excluding at least debian, I
+</I>&gt;<i> haven't tested all) is already pretty easy, if it is still to complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> (or scary) for some people (and I agree that many people may be scared,
+</I>&gt;<i> although I believe most would be able to handle it) then they should not do
+</I>&gt;<i> it alone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what LUGs and install parties are for, help people with the (more
+</I>&gt;<i> complicated) first step.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The install of a full OS is not as easy as installing a normal program (or
+</I>&gt;<i> even installing some system component for your actual OS) and should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> presented as such, as there is at least the partitioning which is a risky
+</I>&gt;<i> operation. (what would happen if the user decide he wants to stop the
+</I>&gt;<i> install while shrinking his partition?)
+</I>+1
+--
+Thomas
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 9 14:07:25 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 9 20:26:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+<LI><A HREF="002293.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
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+<I>doug
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+<LI><A HREF="002294.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrien Touminet
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+<!--1 01286636954-01286639110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002295.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>herman
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+<LI><A HREF="002296.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+<!--2 01286636954-01286639187-01286639432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002297.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>DjeZAeL
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+<!--3 01286636954-01286639187-01286639432-01286641108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002299.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+<!--3 01286636954-01286639187-01286639432-01286641142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002298.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
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+<!--2 01286636954-01286639187-01286641486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002300.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
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+<!--3 01286636954-01286639187-01286641486-01286648160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Renaud MICHEL
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+<LI><A HREF="002305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
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+<!--2 01286636954-01286639187-01286641503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002301.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
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+<!--3 01286636954-01286639187-01286641503-01286642035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002302.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrien Touminet
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+<!--2 01286636954-01286639187-01286647301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+ <i>Sat Oct 9 20:26:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Oct 9 20:26:59 CEST 2010</i>
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