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There seems to be a communication problem here. My +</I>><i> apologies if I was not clear. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I was taking the view that with the bidirectional gateway, allowing +</I>><i> the devs to see and participate in user discussions and they would +</I>><i> clearly not be forced to read any threads/discussions that they were +</I>><i> not interested in. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And you are talking about users participating in dev discussions and +</I>><i> devs not having the patience for "with useless mail reading or +</I>><i> questions that support or advanced users can perfectly deal with". +</I>><i> +</I>No. + +If a user want to suscribe to a dev list and take the risk to raise his +"user voice" in the middle of an expert debate he's free to do so. + +He should though perhaps prepare himself to a "somewhat virile welcome" +but this he should not be forbidden to do that :) +(and he is not) + +I'm talking about users creating "pure" user topics : +-- how do i -- put a RTMF question here -- ? +-- look at my new wallpaper (isn't my new baby dog lovely ?) +-- i think that -- put an old secular troll here -- +-- why do this fscking -- put the package you want here -- works like +that and not like that ? +-- who's the fsking b*stard that removed -- put the removed by upstream +feature you want here -- ? +-- i want to sell my old car to buy a new one... (<A HREF="http://blah">http://blah</A>) who wants +to make an offer ? +-- /et caetera/ + +These topics in a subforum are many. And these topics are precisely what +upset devs and packagers. +And reading those or trying to filter to "separate the wheat from the +chaff" is dev time waste that the +global community should want to minimize... + + +><i> +</I>><i> So, in a way, we are talking about the same thing but from a different +</I>><i> perspective. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, this thread is about the merits of a mailist-forum offering +</I>><i> bidirectional gateway allowing all people to see/communicate with each +</I>><i> other regardless of the means, mailist, irc, forums etc. If I +</I>><i> understand your argument, you are saying that devs may not be +</I>><i> interested in having non-knowledgeable users taking part in their +</I>><i> discussions as they could find this annoying and they could possibly +</I>><i> just quit participating in discussions where they are overwhelmed with +</I>><i> "novice" input. +</I>><i> +</I>No you dit not understand my argument at all :) +(see above ^^) + +><i> +</I>><i> My argument, is that devs would then have, by the simple process of +</I>><i> the bidirectional gateway, the ability to "see" everyone's +</I>><i> conversations and that, whichever conversation would look interesting +</I>><i> to them, they could join in. +</I>><i> +</I>That they have already : some monitor forums and join in whenever they +want to. +(But this is time consuming. Hence very few do this on a regular basis.) + +><i> Under this whole umbrella everyone would of course have to adhere to +</I>><i> the normal netiquette rules of conduct as laid out for mailists; irc, +</I>><i> forums. So, participation for everyone becomes a choice of their own +</I>><i> and if a discussion thread garners so much attention that it is +</I>><i> overwhelmed with questions by "less-informed" users/devs, then you +</I>><i> could either ignore their contributions to the discussion or try to +</I>><i> inform them of the issues. Often times this will fix the problem. +</I>><i> +</I>No because you start from the end. One you have a community of perfectly +educated users the problem will disappear beacause users will use +bugtracker and mailing lists... the need of a forum is just the proof +that your start point is a false statement :) + +The second point is the volume... with a few list subscibers i am +something like 300 mails late + +With 20 000 forum suscribers (or even 5000) posting that would change +many things. Devs would give up all the list :) + +That's as simple as that. + +Especially since the news will spread that advanced users are answering +"magically" on a specific forum will push all users to try their chance +here and not in an other forum... resulting in a worst flood than you +could imagine :) + +And moderators would have to educate people wanting to post there and +not elsewhere. + +That's the better way to create a war between moderators and users :-( + +><i> I have been following the thread on mirror infrastructure and have not +</I>><i> contributed to any of the discussions, but why would I not be +</I>><i> permitted to sit in on the sidelines? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>That's the other part... very different matter. This could be dealt with +a read only forum section. But can you give me a correct estimation of +the extra volume needed for 3 years of forum + ml life with 1000 posters +on one side and 5000+ (more likely 10 000 or 20 000) ? + +And about global system performance once filled with 5 million posts and +browsed by 400 simultaneous active members. + +(And if you imagine to add also Cauldron which can reach the rate of 600 +mails per day just to be able to "to sit in on the sidelines" the volume +is even huger) + +That's why these questions need to be treated with caution :) + +Cheers, +Maât + + + + + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2151">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2151">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2151">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2151">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |