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You cannot run a pure community distro like a distro run by a +</I>><i> commercial company, where paid developers (with the help of volunteer +</I>><i> devs) do their job and then throw it out there for the 'wild hordes' to +</I>><i> consume. +</I>><i> +</I>Nope. This is just common sense. + +Mageia is thought to remain user friendly and potentially desktop oriented +even if there is a raising demand of Mageia for servers. + +So we WILL have newbies and we need to take care that they are properly +welcomed. + +Debian would have to face the very same problem if they decided to +target new linux users +and non technical users. We are not a new Debian... even if we there are +many domains in which +we have things to learn from them :) + +Developers can live without users because they are their own users :) +The contrary is not true... + +><i> A commercial distro attracts the kind of users who just want to be served a +</I>><i> good product and if they are not happy about it they come complain. +</I>><i> I perfectly understand why devs want to hide from those kinds of users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>We will have still newbies and people that see themselves as customers +even if what they get is free (as in freedom AND and in free beer) + +The basic uneducated end-user often feels he's got the right to require +something that "just work"... and often tries to enforce hes view to people +with rude words... that understandable... + +...and that quite normal that a developper/packager feels that difficult +to endure :) + +><i> But a pure community distro attracts a different kind of user, users of +</I>><i> community distros know they are not owed anything, that they are "in debt" +</I>><i> with the devs and therefore the users behave differently. You can see that +</I>><i> if you look at other pure community FOSS projects. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Perhaps that will be true in the veeeery long run. for the coming year +and the next +and the next... that's completely false imho :) +><i> If the official forums has clear rules and well organised subforums as I'm +</I>><i> sure it will be, then users won't invade the ML (or the ML gw forums) +</I>><i> simply because the rules will say that the dev ML is for developer talk +</I>><i> only, while support questions need to go into the support subforums. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Moderators and Support team will have to face many other problems. + +The beginning of a forum makes those people quite busy with forum +user "basic" education (post a new topic for a new subject for example). + +These basic rules take time before people abide by them... + +More complex rules are a far bigger challenge... + +><i> Of course there will always be the odd user that misbehaves, but there will +</I>><i> also be mods who will educate and worst case restrict users that don't +</I>><i> behave. +</I>><i> The main point though is, when the users is aware that all the devs are +</I>><i> volunteers, then there is a lot more respect for them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> XBMC is for example a FOSS project that has the developer subforums on the +</I>><i> main user forum and from my experience this is respected by the users. +</I>><i> see here: <A HREF="http://forum.xbmc.org/">http://forum.xbmc.org/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I also comes from a projet which had been using fudforum as a full +symmetric gateway for several lists (users, devs). + +People answering existing topics for a new subject force moderators to +split them + +Hence the thread is broken on the mailing list (and no way to change +back thread id on a mailing list) + +=> devs and advanced users angry + +And if moderators don't split the thread people on forums are lost (and +people on the list are angry also) + +People answering on the lists using an existing thread for a new subject +make devs angry also + +And on forums moderators need to split the topics... + +But at each new answer on the old thread the posts goes to the old topic... +so moderators need to split-then-merge for each new message ! + +On a tiny forum with few activity mailing lists that can be bearable... +when it comes to bigger forum and active lists the number of cases that +moderators will have to deal with manually will make this unlivable. + +You can trust me underestimating the problems with this +mutli-communities-communication problem would bring more harm than good. + +But as i said to Frederic there is here a real need that we need to +answer to properly :) + +All the best, +Maât + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |