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You were so in hurry to give to mageia +</I>><i> project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned paypal, i sent paypal +</I>><i> many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal and yesterday we were +</I>><i> pleased to know that our paypal account was verified so no more limitation, we +</I>><i> can overtake the limit of 2000€, and it is overtaken. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on each +</I>><i> donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79€ but commission removed the +</I>><i> donations are 2851.9€, a bit more than 4% of commission (well the real +</I>><i> commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the amount). Donations using +</I>><i> paypal are ranging from 3 to 500€ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bank transfert allows to get 1810€ and bank check 75€, to give 4736.9€ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess Maât, +</I>><i> who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him some nice job +</I>><i> by adding new languages! For example, what about greek , finnish, swedish (or +</I>><i> norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian announcements? Yes !! So translators, +</I>><i> have a look at <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Maât +</I>><i> will be very happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another +</I>><i> language I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Maât +</I>><i> you are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to +</I>><i> congratulate him, he likes it :þ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank +</I>><i> account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days, but +</I>><i> no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving donations. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I was about to forget, as Maât said in a previous mail, « Mageia IS definetely +</I>><i> the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, +</I>><i> The Universe, and Everything » +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A> +</I>><i> DonationMageia424242.png> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I stop here, next step 10,000€ ? Ok ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Olivier Méjean +</I>><i> Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +</I>><i> twitter : obagoom +</I>><i> identi.ca : goom +</I>><i> +</I>*cough* + +Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and +not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help +but raising a question.. +Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and +for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet, +nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or +even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions? +I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and +accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what +they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not.. +But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something +with at least not worse communication and without even the certain +degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company +such as Mandriva..? + +Although commenting on this with irony in tone, I really must say that +what seems to me as a general lack of knowledge, information and +involvement of people in discussions around much of this gives a less +assuring impression, leaving me wonder a lot about what all of the +work on this the previous months might've been, what discussions that +might currently take place, whether you've already decided on final +details, are about to decide on, or are planning on putting together a +proposal for commmunity discussion, feedback and consensus to worked +out around..? + +Well, my bias is given, my devious motives being probably any evil +thing you could imagine and all, far to easy detecting way already and +then some before first, earlier, afterwards, +pastpresentfuturebeforeandall, but I think you should make sure to not +fall short of coming off as actually better on these things than the +company you want to distanse you from.. + +Having either these details in place before announcing the project, or +announcing the project with an invitation to participate in defining +it would seem more sensible to me, you might just find yourself in a +bad situation with people easily becoming aggitated and easily upset, +especially when there's money involved, demands greater, more pressure +put on you living up to different and perhaps conflicting +expectations.. + +Oh well, just some mostly constructive critic, or perhaps plain ol' +nagging, and some petty words of caution, hoping to see some of this +answered, accepting the scepticism and hopefully showing yourself able +to address it and also ultimately publishing some really neat goals +easy to relate to, and cool plans that could be of interest to all of +us. \o/ + +Best of luck and always remember that shoving is the answer, shoving +will protect you! ;) + +-- +Hugz&kizzez<3 +Per Øyvind +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1646">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1646">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1646">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1646">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |