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+ <B>Richard</B>
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+ <I>Wed Sep 29 20:06:32 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 29 September 2010 07:23:28 Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i> On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 01:47, Richard wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here (2010.1 x86_64) KDE does not have a dependency on pulse audio.
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome has, because pulseaudio (actually the package is pulseaudio-esound-
+</I>&gt;<i> compat) provides esound, which is required by gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry I was so careless in my comment. I was working from memory and those
+memories are heavily dosed with frustration and annoyance. What I should have
+done is give a concrete example. When I select lib64pulseaudio0 for removal,
+rpmdrake lists 526 dependencies (direct and, presumably, indirect) which must
+also be removed.
+
+Only 39 of these have the string &quot;kde&quot; in the package name, but some of these
+are quite central to the operation of KDE;
+
+kdepasswd-4.4.3
+kdenetwork4-core-4.4.3
+kdemultimedia4-core-4.4.3
+kdegraphics4-core-4.4.3
+kdegames4-core-4.4.3
+kdeutils4-core-4.4.3
+kdelibs4-core-4.4.3
+
+...for example.
+
+Many many more are kde applications. This is 2010.1 x86_64
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, you can simply disable pulseaudio from the control center, so it is
+</I>&gt;<i> not a problem to have the package still lying around.
+</I>
+That is, of course, the first thing I do when installing new systems. I don't
+think that I can agree that it is not a problem for me to have all of this
+Pulse stuff lying around. I find it quite tricky enough to get all required
+applications working as I want them without having to worry about whether
+something somewhere thinks it can still use Pulse because the support files
+are still present.
+
+Worse still are the applications which presume Pulse must be present and are
+configured with that incorrect default assumption, but that's another gripe
+for another place.
+
+Richard
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