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Though I am not by any means a command line junkie I will always use +uprmi when I know exactly what I want. + +So it is synaptic/apt and rpmdrake/urpmi. No doubt yum has a GUI counterpart +too. +><i> +</I>><i> emerge and macports are source-based "packet" managers. +</I>><i> As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can decide +</I>><i> to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their +</I>><i> dependencies. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what should +</I>><i> be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies. +</I>><i> You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the +</I>><i> spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don't +</I>><i> require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is +</I>><i> available) +</I>><i> +</I>Right, I have done this with a custom ffmpeg build. Compile time dependency +control is, of course, a grace and favour benefit provided by the program +author. I get the impression that a packager can introduce depencies when +special support is needed for extra features he may choose to include. This +seems to be what happened with the 2010.1 issue of the foobillard rpm where a +new dependency on Pulse has been created which does not exist in the 2010.0 +package or the author's source. +><i> +</I>><i> Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as "this package cannot +</I>><i> work without those". +</I>><i> You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long +</I>><i> recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested +</I>><i> packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential). +</I>><i> Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb) with +</I>><i> the suggested packages. +</I>><i> Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will by +</I>><i> default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no- +</I>><i> suggests option to avoid this. +</I>Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which "depend" on Pulse and +re-package them such that Pulse is only "recommended"? If so then I will have +to find the way to set the --no-suggests option in rpmdrake. I hadn't even +looked for it before as I have only recently started to discover problems in +Mandriva packages. +><i> On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a +</I>><i> suggestion, it won't trigger the uninstallation of the package that +</I>><i> suggested it. +</I>Something similar seems to apply to packages which I inadvertently "mark" as +manually installed. urpme reports that such packages will be excluded from +orphan detection. I love the --auto-orphans switch. + +Richard + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1520">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1520">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1520">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1520">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |