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You will eventually +</I>>><i> have to do this anyway. I would also consider this also a type of offer +</I>>><i> of cooperation and help. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally, I think we should not collect all domain names to give them +</I>><i> to the association : +</I> +The offer was to pass on the domain if the Mageia project wanted to have +it. It adds flexibility + +><i> +</I>><i> 1) each domain name will need admin time. Either to manage ( ie, set up +</I>><i> vhost, setup the zone, add a entry to the zone etc ), or to renew. While +</I>><i> renewing 1 domain name every year is easy, renewing 10 or 20 on 10 to 20 +</I>><i> different resellers, for different prices and so on will be quite +</I>><i> annoying. +</I> +When passing off a domain, the reseller is transferred. You then +consolidate all under on reseller. I do this all the time. + +><i> +</I>><i> 2) this will also generate work for people in charge of comptability, +</I>><i> and we know that people doing the work of a CFO are a scarce ressources +</I>><i> ( CFO may not be the proper word, but I didn't found better ). +</I> +You set a pointer to the main site and there is no need to use the other +domain names if you do not wish. + +><i> +</I>><i> 3) too much domain name will cost money. I think that what ever we have, +</I>><i> money would likely better used everywhere than domain name. +</I> +Yes you are right. Which is why some of us registered and are willing to +offer these back to the Mageia project if it wishes. If the Mageia +project wishes these, then the project will have to build this into its +business model. The same would have applied if the Mageia project had +decided from the outset to purchase all of the necessary TLD'S. The +project would've had to budget this into its working +organizational/financial model. + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Next it depend on what we do for the domain, but basically, either it is +</I>><i> use for http, or for mail. +</I> +Mostly for http redirect at first. It depends on the needs. + +><i> +</I>><i> If we use for http : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4) too much domain will be a pain from a ssl point of view. If we start +</I>><i> to need ssl for a site, and there is 10 Vhost for it, we will just have +</I>><i> 10 time the work to renew certificates. +</I> +Not applicable if you redirect the domains. You would then only have to +establish certificates for those domains that you intend to use. + +><i> +</I>><i> 5) too much domain will also requires more work for simple http, since +</I>><i> we will have lots of them. +</I> +Not applicable if you set a pointer. This will also depend on the amount +of website developers help who have signed up. + +><i> +</I>><i> 6) too much different url will just mean more confusion. I may also fear +</I>><i> this could be seen by major search engine as unethic SEO, and thus be +</I>><i> punished ( since link farm is a commonly used technic to try to hijack +</I>><i> some keywords ). But Google, Yahoo and Bing systems are closed source, +</I>><i> so I do not know. +</I> +This is not unethic as all business on the internet do this as common +practice. Try to type in URL's for any major corporation, or Yahoo!, +Google, Bing etc. + +><i> +</I>><i> If we use for mail : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 7) too much domain will simply mean more spam. If we offer multiple +</I>><i> email ( like "<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example at mageia.org</A>, and .de, and .fr and .cn, and so on ), +</I>><i> email will simply appear in more list, and therefore be more spammed. +</I> +Domains do not have to be activated for mail. If a domain is not +activated for mail service then the mail bounces back to the sender. +This is done all of the time. + +><i> +</I>><i> 8) too much domain will simply mean more work. Again, if we use every +</I>><i> domain for mail be it a multi domain alias, or worst, let the choice, we +</I>><i> will need to take this in account in lots of place in the information +</I>><i> system, and this will mean more work, more complexity, more fragility. +</I> +You have already covered these points up above. #8 is not a new point. + +><i> +</I>><i> 9) and of course, too much domain name, like for websites will mean more +</I>><i> confusion. +</I> +It means less confusion. mageia.org will lead to main site; mageia.ca +does lead to main site; magiea.nl would lead to main site; mageia.net +would lead to main site; mageia.info would lead to main site ... How +would this be confusing? + +><i> +</I>><i> And finally, as I said before, we had a hard time finding a name because +</I>><i> because all the good one have been already used ( or trademarked ). +</I>><i> While people do not frivolously trademark name ( too costly ), there is +</I>><i> lots of domain name that are taken and finally unused. So by acting like +</I>><i> the others, we are simply causing trouble to others internet users. A +</I>><i> web site about magic trick could perfectly use mageia.tld without +</I>><i> causing trouble to us. A restaurant, anything could also do it. +</I> +By Trademarking and adopting/registering the domain names attached to +your trademark you are actually doing what would be expected of a good +solid business model that Banks would like to see for example, load +applications as well as for grants where government would see a well +organized domain tree and trademarked name. + +By doing business the way that you advocate, you actually lower the +fidelity that one would assume of a serious group. + +><i> +</I>><i> So +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 10) by registering every possible variation, we are acting selfishly +</I>><i> toward others netizens. +</I> +You have already covered these points up above with #9. #10 is not a new +point. + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So I do not really see what having lots of domain name would bring. +</I>><i> Maybe I do not see because I am root on the main dns server, maybe +</I>><i> because I already have my own domain name since so long time, I do not +</I>><i> know. +</I> +I am not root on a DNS server but have owned domain names for a while +like you have and hold a different view than yours. + +><i> +</I>><i> The only answer I got was about security. But seriously, security of +</I>><i> what ? Protecting from people doing phishing ? Bank already fail at +</I>><i> this, and you think we can ? +</I> +Who mentioned security? This is all about flexibility. + +><i> +</I>><i> Protecting from people misusing the name ? there is trademark laws and +</I>><i> various others way ( not to mention that I do not see much to misuse at +</I>><i> the moment ). +</I> +You will be of a different opinion once your trademark application has +been approved. + +><i> +</I>><i> And frankly, there is too much variation beside top level domain to be +</I>><i> exhaustive to protect anything. +</I> +It is not a matter of registering ALL permutations. It is a matter of +having at one's disposal more of the mageia.XXX domains if at all +possible. This will give you more web presence for name branding purposes. + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So for the 10 reasons I gave, and because I see almost no benefit, I +</I>><i> think the association shouldn't manage so much domains. I cannot prevent +</I>><i> people from renting them, but my 2 last point ( 9 and 10 ) still apply, +</I>><i> IMHO. +</I> +You have 8 points in your list and my reasoning to go along with these 8. + +Discussions and exchange of ideas are always a healthy act. + +Cheers + +Marc + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - спасибо +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - спасибо +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#712">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#712">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#712">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#712">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |