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[Was: forking mandriva]</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BCooker%5D%20Re%3A%20Transparency%20%26%20open%20invitation%20to%0A%09a%20united%20foundation..%3F%20%5BWas%3A%20forking%20mandriva%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C201009221035.46188.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Sep 22 10:35:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000659.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#655">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#655">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#655">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#655">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 05:24:22, Olav Dahlum a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 21/09/10 20:46, Jostein Hauge wrote: +</I>><i> > Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier: +</I>><i> >> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>><i> >>>> I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the +</I>><i> >>>> company) would be a voice among others. +</I>><i> >>> Well... +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> >From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here): +</I>><i> >>> 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from +</I>><i> >>> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken, +</I>><i> >>> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices - +</I>><i> >>> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly +</I>><i> >>> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I +</I>><i> >>> don't see this over there at this time. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> blog post is empty to me). +</I>><i> >> I completly agree with this. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management +</I>><i> >> anymore, I've lost any trust in them. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Nicolas +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad +</I>><i> > feelings you might have about the Mandriva company. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should +</I>><i> > be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would +</I>><i> > love a solution like Fedora-Redhat. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make +</I>><i> > to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between +</I>><i> > Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could +</I>><i> > indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration +</I>><i> > possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like +</I>><i> > a vendetta than a constructive initiative. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - Jostein Hauge (jess) +</I>><i> > _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> > Mageia-discuss mailing list +</I>><i> > <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> > <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of +</I>><i> the community and create a stable environment in which we can work. +</I>><i> I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in +</I>><i> the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it +</I>><i> all over again. +</I>><i> If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I +</I>><i> think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop +</I>><i> into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community +</I>><i> based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same +</I>><i> goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this. +</I>><i> The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of +</I>><i> more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva +</I>><i> could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and +</I>><i> Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial +</I>><i> situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of +</I>><i> the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each +</I>><i> others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common +</I>><i> development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the +</I>><i> company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the +</I>><i> good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of +</I>><i> the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing +</I>><i> their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for +</I>><i> their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave +</I>><i> if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent +</I>><i> people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so +</I>><i> keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering +</I>><i> between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage +</I>><i> both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating +</I>><i> FLOSS software. +</I>><i> +</I> +I second that. + +Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win. + +And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying "I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva", but rather the more nuanced "I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva" ! + +Naïve point of view of mine ? + +Regards + +Samuel Verschelde + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? 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