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[Was: forking mandriva]</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BCooker%5D%20Re%3A%20Re%3A%20Transparency%20%26%20open%0A%09invitation%20to%20a%20united%20foundation..%3F%20%5BWas%3A%20forking%20mandriva%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C201009212312.47664.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Sep 21 23:12:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 22:55:09 schreef Matthew Dawkins: +><i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per Øyvind Karlsen +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>>wrote: +</I>><i> > 2010/9/21 Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > > Jostein Hauge wrote: +</I>><i> > >> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > should +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > >> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of +</I>><i> > >> us would +</I>><i> > >> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat. +</I>><i> > >> +</I>><i> > >> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does +</I>><i> > >> it +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > make +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > >> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > between +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > >> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate. +</I>><i> > >> +</I>><i> > >> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > could +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > >> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration +</I>><i> > >> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > more +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > >> like +</I>><i> > >> a vendetta than a constructive initiative. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > +1 +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going +</I>><i> > > downhill fast. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV, +</I>><i> > > whether or not that seems respectful to the community. I'd be the last +</I>><i> > > one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded +</I>><i> > > long ago. But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect +</I>><i> > > their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to +</I>><i> > > please shareholders. They probably don't know we exist. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > In this case, MDV (= Laprévote) seems to think that a foundation is +</I>><i> > > good for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it +</I>><i> > > than I would otherwise. And once they go down that path, it would be +</I>><i> > > very difficult to reverse. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be, +</I>><i> > > remember the old saying: "the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the +</I>><i> > > bread of another". If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host +</I>><i> > > a foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing +</I>><i> > > to let the community control it, just go forward from there. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion +</I>><i> > on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the +</I>><i> > benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the +</I>><i> > whole thing. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the +</I>><i> > foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that +</I>><i> > Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal +</I>><i> > vendetta. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This isn't something originally coming from the management of the +</I>><i> > company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of +</I>><i> > the century by Gäel Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for +</I>><i> > discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a +</I>><i> > while! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Regards, +</I>><i> > Per Øyvind +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM +</I>><i> repository as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an +</I>><i> independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see +</I>><i> where branching can be taken advantage of, but as mentioned before it would +</I>><i> take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard +</I>><i> a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the Mandriva svn +</I>><i> and to account for growth. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is +</I>><i> just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from +</I>><i> that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that +</I>><i> many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to +</I>><i> roll/spin/create a distro and the enormous amount of setup and +</I>><i> organization that goes into it. So I'm not going to address them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Matthew Dawkins +</I>+1 +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |