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[Was: forking mandriva]</H1> + <B>Matthew Dawkins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BCooker%5D%20Re%3A%20Re%3A%20Transparency%20%26%20open%0A%20invitation%20to%20a%20united%20foundation..%3F%20%5BWas%3A%20forking%20mandriva%5D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinTJWs8_Bzc66P9%2BU_CqQzg9at1mzuzhCUQyc-%2B%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]">mattydaw at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Sep 21 22:55:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? 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But what good does it +</I>><i> make +</I>><i> >> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration +</I>><i> between +</I>><i> >> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you +</I>><i> could +</I>><i> >> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration +</I>><i> >> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look +</I>><i> more +</I>><i> >> like +</I>><i> >> a vendetta than a constructive initiative. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> > +1 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going +</I>><i> > downhill fast. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV, +</I>><i> > whether or not that seems respectful to the community. I'd be the last +</I>><i> > one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded +</I>><i> > long ago. But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect +</I>><i> > their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to +</I>><i> > please shareholders. They probably don't know we exist. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In this case, MDV (= Laprévote) seems to think that a foundation is good +</I>><i> > for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I +</I>><i> > would otherwise. And once they go down that path, it would be very +</I>><i> > difficult to reverse. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be, +</I>><i> > remember the old saying: "the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the +</I>><i> > bread of another". If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a +</I>><i> > foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing to +</I>><i> > let the community control it, just go forward from there. +</I>><i> You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion +</I>><i> on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the +</I>><i> benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the +</I>><i> whole thing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the +</I>><i> foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that +</I>><i> Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal +</I>><i> vendetta. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This isn't something originally coming from the management of the +</I>><i> company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of +</I>><i> the century by Gäel Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for +</I>><i> discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a +</I>><i> while! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Per Øyvind +</I>><i> +</I> + +Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM +repository as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an +independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see +where branching can be taken advantage of, but as mentioned before it would +take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard +a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the Mandriva svn and +to account for growth. + +Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is +just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from +that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that +many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to roll/spin/create +a distro and the enormous amount of setup and organization that goes into +it. So I'm not going to address them. + +So what do we say? Can we get something going here? 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