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[Was: forking mandriva]</H1> + <B>Per Øyvind Karlsen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Transparency%20%26%20open%20invitation%20to%20a%20united%0A%20foundation..%3F%20%5BWas%3A%20forking%20mandriva%5D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DckiP5fvcb60Z6%2BcgjiCDpbaBUyKWTQ7uW3tOj%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]">peroyvind at mandriva.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Sep 21 07:26:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000345.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? 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What is preventing your interest in it? +What would be required to gain your interest in it? + +Well, I see this as my last opportunity for trying to push this again +trying to preserve our community, leave our differences aside and try +one final time to attempt uniting communities that would be stronger +and healthier working together, allowing diversity rather than against +eachother, fueling controversy and causing further fragmentation in +our ecosystem. + +If nothing else, I did try at least.. ;) + +Oh well, I fear that this I with this post and the proposition might +just be flamed to death no matter how sane and justified I may find +this that others might consider a flamebait pipedream, or perhaps just +ignored which wouldn't surprise me that much either, but as there +might just be slight chance of constructive discussion taking place +and something of use to someone rather than a new round with +distribution of blame and angry voices, I take my chances in the +spirit of the greater good for everyone. :o) + +-- +With the very best intentions, +Per Øyvind, +Your chief in charge of hugs and candy ;) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000345.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? 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