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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/11 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/5/11 Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter -<br>
+&gt; and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also<br>
+&gt; (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help<br>
+&gt; documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module<br>
+&gt; isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is<br>
+&gt; interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there<br>
+&gt; still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely<br>
+&gt; documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39;<br>
+&gt; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding<br>
+&gt; KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous<br>
+&gt; impression there really is some helpful documentation ...<br>
+</div>This was done explicitly to fix a bug where this documentation entry<br>
+was not available.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>Though I fail to understand for what is this entry needed in Live CD where there is no documentation, another question remains: why is there only and only Kipi plugins documentation? Not that excluding it would win musc space but if there is&#39;nt documentation for e.g. Dolphin or whatever other main applications ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/11 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/5/11 Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter -<br>
+&gt; and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also<br>
+&gt; (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help<br>
+&gt; documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module<br>
+&gt; isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is<br>
+&gt; interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there<br>
+&gt; still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely<br>
+&gt; documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39;<br>
+&gt; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding<br>
+&gt; KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous<br>
+&gt; impression there really is some helpful documentation ...<br>
+</div>This was done explicitly to fix a bug where this documentation entry<br>
+was not available.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>Though I fail to understand for what is this entry needed in Live CD where there is no documentation, another question remains: why is there only and only Kipi plugins documentation? Not that excluding it would win musc space but if there is&#39;nt documentation for e.g. Dolphin or whatever other main applications ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+<br>
+Current RC build got me this:<br>
+<br>
+668M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+693M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+703M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+728M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+684M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+709M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+697M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+662M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+686M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+710M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+734M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+690M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+714M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+720M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+744M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So atleast every cd with size &gt; 700M need to loose some stuff...<br>
+<br>
+So please help out with suggestions...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+You can check out current contents here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/" target="_blank">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/</a><br>
+<br>
+Files are:<br>
+*.langs      - Supported languages on the CD<br>
+*.lst        - installed package list, sorted alphabetically<br>
+*.lst.full   - installed packages list, sorted by size<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, remember that the livecds are squashfs compressed images,<br>
+so in order to drop ~20M on a cd, I need to drop ~30M-100M of<br>
+rpms depending on content...<br>
+<br>
+Also if you find something missing that relly _must_ be on the<br>
+cds (not just nice to have)... please comment on that too<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter - and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous impression there really is some helpful documentation ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+<br>
+Current RC build got me this:<br>
+<br>
+668M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+693M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+703M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+728M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+684M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+709M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+697M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+662M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+686M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+710M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+734M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+690M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+714M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+720M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+744M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So atleast every cd with size &gt; 700M need to loose some stuff...<br>
+<br>
+So please help out with suggestions...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+You can check out current contents here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/" target="_blank">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/</a><br>
+<br>
+Files are:<br>
+*.langs      - Supported languages on the CD<br>
+*.lst        - installed package list, sorted alphabetically<br>
+*.lst.full   - installed packages list, sorted by size<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, remember that the livecds are squashfs compressed images,<br>
+so in order to drop ~20M on a cd, I need to drop ~30M-100M of<br>
+rpms depending on content...<br>
+<br>
+Also if you find something missing that relly _must_ be on the<br>
+cds (not just nice to have)... please comment on that too<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter - and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous impression there really is some helpful documentation ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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