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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/2d1e4390/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/2d1e4390/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9013bd52a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/2d1e4390/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<p><br> +Le 4 mai 2012 17:19, "Wolfgang Bornath" <<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>> a écrit :<br> +><br> +> 2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis <<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>>:<br> +> ><br> +> > Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, "Thomas Backlund" <<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>> a écrit :<br> +> ><br> +> ><br> +> >><br> +> >> 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br> +> >> > On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata <<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> >> >> Mageia's installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva.<br> +> >> >> The<br> +> >> >> type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate<br> +> >> >> step<br> +> >> >> prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother<br> +> >> >> no<br> +> >> >> one else?<br> +> >> ><br> +> >> > Too late to report.<br> +> >> > When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br> +> >><br> +> >> Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br> +> >><br> +> >> --<br> +> >> Thomas<br> +> >><br> +> ><br> +> > Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the<br> +> > partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have<br> +> > checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.<br> +> ><br> +> > It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than<br> +> > usefull.<br> +> > Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the<br> +> > usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers<br> +> > that i got was like 'you click on OK so you have to be sure', 'no needed,<br> +> > useless feature' etc.<br> +> ><br> +> > If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it<br> +> > again.<br> +><br> +> Do you think you will get a different result? Look at Microsoft.<br> +> People were so annoyed by all these "Are you sure" popups that<br> +> comedians started to refer to these popups in their standup sessions<br> +> ("Do you really want to use the brake pedal?"). AFAIR there hasn't<br> +> been such a popup at the situations you pointed to as long as<br> +> Mandrake/Mandriva existed. I haven't heard anybody complaining about<br> +> this (until today).<br> +> About the selection screens:<br> +><br> +> For me the first selection screen (KDE - Gnome - Custom) serves the<br> +> new user who wants to get on with the installation without any<br> +> interactive stuff he would not know how to handle it. So the screen<br> +> presents 2 options which will get him a standard system with one<br> +> click. Everybody else is surely able to understand the word "Custom"<br> +> which opens the door to everything else. The next screen offers a<br> +> package selection which allows for installation of whole groups (or<br> +> non-installation). This same screen opens the door to the minimal<br> +> installation options (if you deselect all package groups). It also<br> +> shows the option "Individual package selection".<br> +><br> +> To me this is a logical procedure (one step following the selection of<br> +> the previous step).<br> +><br> +> Of course Mageia could put something like "Clicking OK will start the<br> +> installation" below the KDE and Gnome options or something similar.<br> +><br> +> About the partitioning:<br> +><br> +> What exactly do you miss there (you have seen the "expert" button?) ?<br> +><br> +> IMHO there is nothing missing or at presented at the wrong state of<br> +> the installation procedure.<br> +><br> +> --<br> +> wobo<br></p> +<p>In the specific case i mentionned, there is a risc of loosing data, so i think that it is usefull to prevent. Why you are informed when you switch to expert mode in diskdrake?</p> +<p>Twice i avoided to delete the /home partition. To prevent other users, in the greek translation i add the 'formatting (delete data)'</p> +<p>For "us" there is no risc. Because we install a system many times. The scenario that i describe could happen if you do an installation for the first time or if you are not used to do it often.</p> +<p>Personaly i dont care, it is very clear for me, but i remember my first time when i "felt" that a confirmation was missing.</p> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/2d1e4390/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/2d1e4390/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9013bd52a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/2d1e4390/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<p><br> +Le 4 mai 2012 17:19, "Wolfgang Bornath" <<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>> a écrit :<br> +><br> +> 2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis <<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>>:<br> +> ><br> +> > Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, "Thomas Backlund" <<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>> a écrit :<br> +> ><br> +> ><br> +> >><br> +> >> 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br> +> >> > On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata <<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> >> >> Mageia's installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva.<br> +> >> >> The<br> +> >> >> type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate<br> +> >> >> step<br> +> >> >> prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother<br> +> >> >> no<br> +> >> >> one else?<br> +> >> ><br> +> >> > Too late to report.<br> +> >> > When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br> +> >><br> +> >> Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br> +> >><br> +> >> --<br> +> >> Thomas<br> +> >><br> +> ><br> +> > Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the<br> +> > partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have<br> +> > checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.<br> +> ><br> +> > It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than<br> +> > usefull.<br> +> > Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the<br> +> > usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers<br> +> > that i got was like 'you click on OK so you have to be sure', 'no needed,<br> +> > useless feature' etc.<br> +> ><br> +> > If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it<br> +> > again.<br> +><br> +> Do you think you will get a different result? Look at Microsoft.<br> +> People were so annoyed by all these "Are you sure" popups that<br> +> comedians started to refer to these popups in their standup sessions<br> +> ("Do you really want to use the brake pedal?"). AFAIR there hasn't<br> +> been such a popup at the situations you pointed to as long as<br> +> Mandrake/Mandriva existed. I haven't heard anybody complaining about<br> +> this (until today).<br> +> About the selection screens:<br> +><br> +> For me the first selection screen (KDE - Gnome - Custom) serves the<br> +> new user who wants to get on with the installation without any<br> +> interactive stuff he would not know how to handle it. So the screen<br> +> presents 2 options which will get him a standard system with one<br> +> click. Everybody else is surely able to understand the word "Custom"<br> +> which opens the door to everything else. The next screen offers a<br> +> package selection which allows for installation of whole groups (or<br> +> non-installation). This same screen opens the door to the minimal<br> +> installation options (if you deselect all package groups). It also<br> +> shows the option "Individual package selection".<br> +><br> +> To me this is a logical procedure (one step following the selection of<br> +> the previous step).<br> +><br> +> Of course Mageia could put something like "Clicking OK will start the<br> +> installation" below the KDE and Gnome options or something similar.<br> +><br> +> About the partitioning:<br> +><br> +> What exactly do you miss there (you have seen the "expert" button?) ?<br> +><br> +> IMHO there is nothing missing or at presented at the wrong state of<br> +> the installation procedure.<br> +><br> +> --<br> +> wobo<br></p> +<p>In the specific case i mentionned, there is a risc of loosing data, so i think that it is usefull to prevent. Why you are informed when you switch to expert mode in diskdrake?</p> +<p>Twice i avoided to delete the /home partition. To prevent other users, in the greek translation i add the 'formatting (delete data)'</p> +<p>For "us" there is no risc. Because we install a system many times. The scenario that i describe could happen if you do an installation for the first time or if you are not used to do it often.</p> +<p>Personaly i dont care, it is very clear for me, but i remember my first time when i "felt" that a confirmation was missing.</p> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/54c809b1/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/54c809b1/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dc3d17344 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/54c809b1/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk+jinwACgkQqEs9DA4DquDOSwCfZu7IinaMvH+JX7anuqk+W1UP +i/kAnA0C/BuaLjhpHqtsyYN5xmbcR3bP +=kryo +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/54c809b1/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/54c809b1/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dc3d17344 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/54c809b1/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk+jinwACgkQqEs9DA4DquDOSwCfZu7IinaMvH+JX7anuqk+W1UP +i/kAnA0C/BuaLjhpHqtsyYN5xmbcR3bP +=kryo +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/81056dd7/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/81056dd7/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..08564bd44 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/81056dd7/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +<p><br> +Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, "Thomas Backlund" <<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>> a écrit :<br> +><br> +> 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br> +> > On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata <<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> >> Mageia's installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva. The<br> +> >> type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate step<br> +> >> prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother no<br> +> >> one else?<br> +> ><br> +> > Too late to report.<br> +> > When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br> +><br> +> Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br> +><br> +> --<br> +> Thomas<br> +></p> +<p>Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.</p> +<p>It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than usefull.<br> +Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers that i got was like 'you click on OK so you have to be sure', 'no needed, useless feature' etc. </p> + +<p>If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it again.<br> +</p> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/81056dd7/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/81056dd7/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..08564bd44 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120504/81056dd7/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +<p><br> +Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, "Thomas Backlund" <<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>> a écrit :<br> +><br> +> 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br> +> > On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata <<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> >> Mageia's installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva. The<br> +> >> type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate step<br> +> >> prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother no<br> +> >> one else?<br> +> ><br> +> > Too late to report.<br> +> > When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br> +><br> +> Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br> +><br> +> --<br> +> Thomas<br> +></p> +<p>Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.</p> +<p>It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than usefull.<br> +Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers that i got was like 'you click on OK so you have to be sure', 'no needed, useless feature' etc. </p> + +<p>If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it again.<br> +</p> |