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+Hi,<br><br>I want to join the team, actually I already made contact by IRC channel. But I&#39;m still looking for a mentor.<br>I&#39;ve never had experience as a packager just had in a little free software projects. <br>My mageia identity is: mbenattoa. If somebody wants help me on mentoring process I&#39;ll be very glad!<br>
+<br>Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:00 AM, <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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+than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;<br>
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+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+ � 1. Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+ � � �perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2 (D.Morgan)<br>
+ � 2. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing<br>
+ � � �(Johnny A. Solbu)<br>
+ � 3. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing (andre999)<br>
+ � 4. �mentors + apprentices (andre999)<br>
+ � 5. i18n corrections in drak tools (Oliver Burger)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:40:07 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+ � � � �perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;CAL+dqvDutg406MXZVTzaAsyYeO2JXQpbprQHjrpx9CXp=<a href="mailto:vbRmw@mail.gmail.com">vbRmw@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
+<br>
+On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 158214<br>
+&gt;&gt; - update to 0.714<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A requested package cannot be installed:<br>
+&gt; perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied<br>
+&gt; perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])<br>
+&gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+still broken.<br>
+<br>
+The main issue is that i don&#39;t see �perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=<br>
+0.712.0]) see : <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 2<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 03:49:02 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+ � � � �updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net">201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt; No offense intended<br>
+<br>
+None detected. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; but you don&#39;t see a slight advantage of not having<br>
+&gt; to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the<br>
+&gt; otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is<br>
+&gt; somewhat limited ?<br>
+<br>
+If the diskspace is limited, there often is no available space to host a separate /usr.<br>
+The old drive in my gateway was a 4G drive. There was One partition. ;-)=<br>
+I do see the need to have all in one partition in many cases.<br>
+<br>
+But there is a diffenrece in having a need and require it. :-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+<br>
+Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,<br>
+&gt; /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it<br>
+&gt; is now.<br>
+<br>
+Yes. I see that, and I see that it can be agood idea to merge /*bin with /usr/*bin<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and /sbin,<br>
+<br>
+I still feel that the daemon&#39;s executeable&#39;s belongs in sbin rather than bin.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+<br>
+I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+<br>
+Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
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+<br>
+Message: 3<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:47:21 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+ � � � �updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net">4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt;&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+&gt; I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+I think it is better to mount any separate /usr as early in the boot<br>
+process as possible.<br>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt;&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+See the attached file of duplications of names on my computer.<br>
+There are 76 duplications in the 4 directories.<br>
+Those ending in @ are symbolic links. �Such duplications will disappear<br>
+with the merging.<br>
+The others are mostly (if not all) scripts which link to a routine which<br>
+asks for the root password for certain commands, according to enabled<br>
+permissions. �If the permissions are enabled and the password correctly<br>
+entered, the user is rerouted to the initial command. �A less obscure<br>
+way of dealing with it would be better.<br>
+(I forget the details, but someone like tv or misc would know.)<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+If just changing initramfs to load any separate /usr partition will fix<br>
+it, I don&#39;t see that we are losing anything.<br>
+Although if someone like tmb can initially misunderstand the impact, I<br>
+guess anyone can. �(It took me a while.)<br>
+<br>
+Maybe it will be more trouble to make such an initramfs, but once it is<br>
+made, it should work nicely. �Without a special reason to have a<br>
+separate /usr, I would say that it is better to avoid it.<br>
+I see that ensuring that everything necessary to fully boot being<br>
+guaranteed to be available very early in the boot process is a big plus.<br>
+If /home isn&#39;t available, one can always login to root. �As well,<br>
+keeping /home on a separate partition has advantages for ensuring the<br>
+persistance of personal data and configuration in the event of<br>
+reformatting /.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+<br>
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+<br>
+Message: 4<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:54:38 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev] �mentors + apprentices<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net">4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+Hi everyone,<br>
+<br>
+We have a new packager, takashi, who has successfully mentored with jquelin.<br>
+<br>
+We now have 2 apprentice candidates with .rpm packaging experience, waiting for<br>
+a mentor.<br>
+<br>
+mcb30 (Michael Brown), who I introduced last week,<br>
+is a longtime Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia user who has maintained several<br>
+private RPM repos, and while waiting for a mentor has been making spec files<br>
+for some python applications.<br>
+<br>
+We also have<br>
+neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov),<br>
+who has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as well<br>
+as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion team.<br>
+<br>
+You can find more details at:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks :-)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+We now have 49 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with<br>
+several who have yet to take a package.<br>
+We currently have about 40 apprentices.<br>
+Over 75% of packages have a maintainer.<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an<br>
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</a><br>
+<br>
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode<br>
+#mageia-mentoring.<br>
+<br>
+Regards :-)<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+(Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 5<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:45:10 +0100<br>
+From: Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: Text/Plain; �charset=&quot;us-ascii&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Hi there,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;d like to get all corrections made by i18n teams since the Mga1 release into<br>
+the distribution. Imho that is important because not all teams managed to<br>
+finish their translation work for the Mga1 freeze, and we were told at that<br>
+time, that we would be able to get our work into Mga1 via an update later on<br>
+and thus I told the teams to set a priority on the translation of the<br>
+installer po files, which couldn&#39;t be updated later.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+As I mentioned in <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784</a> I would propose<br>
+a &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot;. We could do a blog post calling people to actively<br>
+look for translation errors and file bug reports about them. I18n teams could<br>
+then fix as many of those as possible and commit the corrections to the &quot;1&quot;<br>
+branch of the drak tools svn (and also to cauldron if they are still present<br>
+there).<br>
+<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+Let&#39;s say &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot; somewhen in the middle of next week and an<br>
+update of the drak tools for Mga1 arround december 1st?<br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+End of Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5<br>
+*****************************************<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Marco Antonio Benatto<br>Linux user ID:<font size="2"> #506236</font><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I want to join the team, actually I already made contact by IRC channel. But I&#39;m still looking for a mentor.<br>I&#39;ve never had experience as a packager just had in a little free software projects. <br>My mageia identity is: mbenattoa. If somebody wants help me on mentoring process I&#39;ll be very glad!<br>
+<br>Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:00 AM, <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to<br>
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+<br>
+When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
+than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+ � 1. Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+ � � �perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2 (D.Morgan)<br>
+ � 2. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing<br>
+ � � �(Johnny A. Solbu)<br>
+ � 3. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing (andre999)<br>
+ � 4. �mentors + apprentices (andre999)<br>
+ � 5. i18n corrections in drak tools (Oliver Burger)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:40:07 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+ � � � �perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;CAL+dqvDutg406MXZVTzaAsyYeO2JXQpbprQHjrpx9CXp=<a href="mailto:vbRmw@mail.gmail.com">vbRmw@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
+<br>
+On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 158214<br>
+&gt;&gt; - update to 0.714<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A requested package cannot be installed:<br>
+&gt; perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied<br>
+&gt; perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])<br>
+&gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+still broken.<br>
+<br>
+The main issue is that i don&#39;t see �perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=<br>
+0.712.0]) see : <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 2<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 03:49:02 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+ � � � �updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net">201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt; No offense intended<br>
+<br>
+None detected. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; but you don&#39;t see a slight advantage of not having<br>
+&gt; to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the<br>
+&gt; otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is<br>
+&gt; somewhat limited ?<br>
+<br>
+If the diskspace is limited, there often is no available space to host a separate /usr.<br>
+The old drive in my gateway was a 4G drive. There was One partition. ;-)=<br>
+I do see the need to have all in one partition in many cases.<br>
+<br>
+But there is a diffenrece in having a need and require it. :-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+<br>
+Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,<br>
+&gt; /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it<br>
+&gt; is now.<br>
+<br>
+Yes. I see that, and I see that it can be agood idea to merge /*bin with /usr/*bin<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and /sbin,<br>
+<br>
+I still feel that the daemon&#39;s executeable&#39;s belongs in sbin rather than bin.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+<br>
+I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+<br>
+Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
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+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 3<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:47:21 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+ � � � �updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net">4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt;&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+&gt; I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+I think it is better to mount any separate /usr as early in the boot<br>
+process as possible.<br>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt;&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+See the attached file of duplications of names on my computer.<br>
+There are 76 duplications in the 4 directories.<br>
+Those ending in @ are symbolic links. �Such duplications will disappear<br>
+with the merging.<br>
+The others are mostly (if not all) scripts which link to a routine which<br>
+asks for the root password for certain commands, according to enabled<br>
+permissions. �If the permissions are enabled and the password correctly<br>
+entered, the user is rerouted to the initial command. �A less obscure<br>
+way of dealing with it would be better.<br>
+(I forget the details, but someone like tv or misc would know.)<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+If just changing initramfs to load any separate /usr partition will fix<br>
+it, I don&#39;t see that we are losing anything.<br>
+Although if someone like tmb can initially misunderstand the impact, I<br>
+guess anyone can. �(It took me a while.)<br>
+<br>
+Maybe it will be more trouble to make such an initramfs, but once it is<br>
+made, it should work nicely. �Without a special reason to have a<br>
+separate /usr, I would say that it is better to avoid it.<br>
+I see that ensuring that everything necessary to fully boot being<br>
+guaranteed to be available very early in the boot process is a big plus.<br>
+If /home isn&#39;t available, one can always login to root. �As well,<br>
+keeping /home on a separate partition has advantages for ensuring the<br>
+persistance of personal data and configuration in the event of<br>
+reformatting /.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+<br>
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+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 4<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:54:38 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev] �mentors + apprentices<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net">4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+Hi everyone,<br>
+<br>
+We have a new packager, takashi, who has successfully mentored with jquelin.<br>
+<br>
+We now have 2 apprentice candidates with .rpm packaging experience, waiting for<br>
+a mentor.<br>
+<br>
+mcb30 (Michael Brown), who I introduced last week,<br>
+is a longtime Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia user who has maintained several<br>
+private RPM repos, and while waiting for a mentor has been making spec files<br>
+for some python applications.<br>
+<br>
+We also have<br>
+neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov),<br>
+who has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as well<br>
+as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion team.<br>
+<br>
+You can find more details at:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks :-)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+We now have 49 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with<br>
+several who have yet to take a package.<br>
+We currently have about 40 apprentices.<br>
+Over 75% of packages have a maintainer.<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an<br>
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</a><br>
+<br>
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode<br>
+#mageia-mentoring.<br>
+<br>
+Regards :-)<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+(Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 5<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:45:10 +0100<br>
+From: Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: Text/Plain; �charset=&quot;us-ascii&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Hi there,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;d like to get all corrections made by i18n teams since the Mga1 release into<br>
+the distribution. Imho that is important because not all teams managed to<br>
+finish their translation work for the Mga1 freeze, and we were told at that<br>
+time, that we would be able to get our work into Mga1 via an update later on<br>
+and thus I told the teams to set a priority on the translation of the<br>
+installer po files, which couldn&#39;t be updated later.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+As I mentioned in <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784</a> I would propose<br>
+a &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot;. We could do a blog post calling people to actively<br>
+look for translation errors and file bug reports about them. I18n teams could<br>
+then fix as many of those as possible and commit the corrections to the &quot;1&quot;<br>
+branch of the drak tools svn (and also to cauldron if they are still present<br>
+there).<br>
+<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+Let&#39;s say &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot; somewhen in the middle of next week and an<br>
+update of the drak tools for Mga1 arround december 1st?<br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+End of Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5<br>
+*****************************************<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Marco Antonio Benatto<br>Linux user ID:<font size="2"> #506236</font><br>
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