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+Hi all,<br>we have libfaac already packaged <br><br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br><br>It&#39;s a <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">dependence</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">cinelerra</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/17 Joaquin Mandriva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joaquinmandriva@gmail.com">joaquinmandriva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi all,<br>we have libfaac already packaged <br><br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br><br>It&#39;s a <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">dependence</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">cinelerra</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/17 Joaquin Mandriva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joaquinmandriva@gmail.com">joaquinmandriva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+ <head>
+ <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+ </head>
+ <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+ On 16/10/2011 22:33, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+ <blockquote cite="mid:201110161333.06594.thomas@btspuhler.com"
+ type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On Sunday, October 16, 2011 04:05:52 am Giuseppe Ghib&ograve; wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On 26/09/2011 17:34, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+It's not like this. The misalignment in having multiple versions comes
+from having different source of packages. tetex had it's own texi2html
+(so I guess texlive), which is certified and well QA and integrated with
+that tetex version, so it provides "texi2html". At a certain point newer
+versions of texi2html were placed in contrib because they were newer
+(there were also other packages in this situation, xdvi, prosper, etc.)
+and because of not touching the main tetex package. To handle this kind
+of misalignment a good way to proceed would be to go in the main package
+providing it (i.e. tetex/texlive) and try to merge the newer texi2html
+with the new one, then redoing the tests. This often doesn't happen
+because it takes a lot of amount of time, and require to handle with the
+main and bigger package (texlive/tetex), and people often don't do this
+if they are doing "snack packaging".
+
+The other way, which is to transform everything as "pluggable" (e.g.
+split packages at source, so for instance not having tetex providing
+texi2html) IMHO doesn't provide the same amount of certification,
+because the packager (packager not necessarely means the maintainer)
+just upgrade the version number, without taking care of re-testing, and
+in case he doesn't know in deep about that package what he does as side
+effect is to give away the upstream tetex/texlive certification
+(certification that the included, so older, texi2html package works well
+and has no flaws with the rest of the tetex/texlive distro) in favour of
+a newer version (hoping that if something goes wrong or of some bug some
+end-user would file a bug on bugzilla...).
+
+Bye.
+G.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">Thanks for the explanation.
+It seems you are pretty versed in texlive. Would you mind to look as why
+muscore doesn't build anymore with the current texlive:
+Font metrics written on mscore1-20.tfm.
+Output written on mscore1-20.600gf (18 characters, 7172 bytes).
+Transcript written on mscore1-20.log.
+This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(../mf2pt1.mp (/usr/share/texmf-dist/metapost/base/mfplain.mp
+Preloading the plain base, version 0.99: preliminaries,
+ basic constants and mathematical macros,
+ macros for converting units,
+ macros and tables for various modes of operation,
+ macros for drawing and filling,
+ macros for proof labels and rules,
+ macros for character and font administration,
+and a few last-minute items.))
+Transcript written on mf2pt1.log.
+Invoking "mpost -mem=mf2pt1 -progname=mpost '\mode:=localfont; mag:=100;
+bpppix 0.02; input feta20.mf'"...
+
+Sorry, I can't find the 'mf2pt1' preload file; will try 'plain'.This is
+MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(plain.mp
+
+It lloks as if mf2pt1 is missing, The script is available on it's own, put old
+texlive and tetex didn't show this problem.
+
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ I've not an installation with the package you are talking about
+ handy to check myself, but you may try to add the following line to
+ the file `kpsewhich fmtutil.cnf` (backtick included):<br>
+ <br>
+ mpost&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mf2pt1 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
+ -translate-file=cp227.tcx mf2pt1.mp<br>
+ <br>
+ (of course the file mf2pt1.mp should be provided somewhere [it's in
+ CTAN:<cite>tex-archive/support/<b>mf2pt1</b></cite><span class="std">]</span>),
+ and then recreate the missed file with: fmtutil --missing (or
+ --all).<br>
+ <br>
+ Bye<br>
+ Giuseppe.<br>
+ <br>
+ </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+ <head>
+ <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+ </head>
+ <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+ On 16/10/2011 22:33, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+ <blockquote cite="mid:201110161333.06594.thomas@btspuhler.com"
+ type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On Sunday, October 16, 2011 04:05:52 am Giuseppe Ghib&ograve; wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On 26/09/2011 17:34, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</pre>
+ <blockquote type="cite">
+ <pre wrap="">But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">
+It's not like this. The misalignment in having multiple versions comes
+from having different source of packages. tetex had it's own texi2html
+(so I guess texlive), which is certified and well QA and integrated with
+that tetex version, so it provides "texi2html". At a certain point newer
+versions of texi2html were placed in contrib because they were newer
+(there were also other packages in this situation, xdvi, prosper, etc.)
+and because of not touching the main tetex package. To handle this kind
+of misalignment a good way to proceed would be to go in the main package
+providing it (i.e. tetex/texlive) and try to merge the newer texi2html
+with the new one, then redoing the tests. This often doesn't happen
+because it takes a lot of amount of time, and require to handle with the
+main and bigger package (texlive/tetex), and people often don't do this
+if they are doing "snack packaging".
+
+The other way, which is to transform everything as "pluggable" (e.g.
+split packages at source, so for instance not having tetex providing
+texi2html) IMHO doesn't provide the same amount of certification,
+because the packager (packager not necessarely means the maintainer)
+just upgrade the version number, without taking care of re-testing, and
+in case he doesn't know in deep about that package what he does as side
+effect is to give away the upstream tetex/texlive certification
+(certification that the included, so older, texi2html package works well
+and has no flaws with the rest of the tetex/texlive distro) in favour of
+a newer version (hoping that if something goes wrong or of some bug some
+end-user would file a bug on bugzilla...).
+
+Bye.
+G.
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ <pre wrap="">Thanks for the explanation.
+It seems you are pretty versed in texlive. Would you mind to look as why
+muscore doesn't build anymore with the current texlive:
+Font metrics written on mscore1-20.tfm.
+Output written on mscore1-20.600gf (18 characters, 7172 bytes).
+Transcript written on mscore1-20.log.
+This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(../mf2pt1.mp (/usr/share/texmf-dist/metapost/base/mfplain.mp
+Preloading the plain base, version 0.99: preliminaries,
+ basic constants and mathematical macros,
+ macros for converting units,
+ macros and tables for various modes of operation,
+ macros for drawing and filling,
+ macros for proof labels and rules,
+ macros for character and font administration,
+and a few last-minute items.))
+Transcript written on mf2pt1.log.
+Invoking "mpost -mem=mf2pt1 -progname=mpost '\mode:=localfont; mag:=100;
+bpppix 0.02; input feta20.mf'"...
+
+Sorry, I can't find the 'mf2pt1' preload file; will try 'plain'.This is
+MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(plain.mp
+
+It lloks as if mf2pt1 is missing, The script is available on it's own, put old
+texlive and tetex didn't show this problem.
+
+</pre>
+ </blockquote>
+ I've not an installation with the package you are talking about
+ handy to check myself, but you may try to add the following line to
+ the file `kpsewhich fmtutil.cnf` (backtick included):<br>
+ <br>
+ mpost&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mf2pt1 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
+ -translate-file=cp227.tcx mf2pt1.mp<br>
+ <br>
+ (of course the file mf2pt1.mp should be provided somewhere [it's in
+ CTAN:<cite>tex-archive/support/<b>mf2pt1</b></cite><span class="std">]</span>),
+ and then recreate the missed file with: fmtutil --missing (or
+ --all).<br>
+ <br>
+ Bye<br>
+ Giuseppe.<br>
+ <br>
+ </body>
+</html>
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+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>