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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..90f13cb1c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least<br> +(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;<br> +(2) don't force UNRELEASED kernels on me!<br></blockquote><div><br>This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions - which work the way we love? :)<br> + +<br>They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on - but this is fine for us!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + + +Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.<br></blockquote><div><br>And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home run (all via <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break</a>)!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +And no, I won't investigate anything, I'll not file any report on what it's not working with this kernel and my hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :). <br> + +</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the world, I must agree.. :(<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + I've experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.<br></blockquote><div><br>Apparently they weren't. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves at the moment they'll read this. Sorry :(.<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +What I like in Linux is never the kernel.</blockquote><div><br>This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for me!)<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Never ever.</blockquote><div><br>World is soooo busy those days...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +It's monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus.</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this... :(<br><br></div> + +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.</blockquote><div><br>2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their first release!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.<br> + +</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still are a far cry from those!<br><br>But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. <span class="st">Richard Matthew Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).<br> + +</span></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..90f13cb1c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least<br> +(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;<br> +(2) don't force UNRELEASED kernels on me!<br></blockquote><div><br>This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions - which work the way we love? :)<br> + +<br>They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on - but this is fine for us!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + + +Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.<br></blockquote><div><br>And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home run (all via <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break</a>)!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +And no, I won't investigate anything, I'll not file any report on what it's not working with this kernel and my hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :). <br> + +</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the world, I must agree.. :(<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + I've experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.<br></blockquote><div><br>Apparently they weren't. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves at the moment they'll read this. Sorry :(.<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +What I like in Linux is never the kernel.</blockquote><div><br>This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for me!)<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Never ever.</blockquote><div><br>World is soooo busy those days...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +It's monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus.</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this... :(<br><br></div> + +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.</blockquote><div><br>2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their first release!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.<br> + +</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still are a far cry from those!<br><br>But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. <span class="st">Richard Matthew Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).<br> + +</span></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> |