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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/138c9beb/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/138c9beb/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..325123a62 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/138c9beb/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im">* Buchan Milne (<a href="mailto:bgmilne@multilinks.com">bgmilne@multilinks.com</a>) wrote:<br> +</div><div class="im">> On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:39:09 Tux99 wrote:<br> +> > On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote:<br> +><br> +</div><div class="im">> > 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good<br> +> > judgement and not include major incompatible version changes<br> +><br> +> You are aware that this is significantly more work than 'mdvsys submit -t<br> +> 2010.1 --define section=main/backports $package' (after some minimal testing of<br> +> course)?<br> +<br> +</div>This part of the discuss let me think something.<br> +<br> +We have both some people wanting huge set of backport and other wanting<br> +long life release w/o change except security/bug fix.<br> +<br> +So, why not alternate both, 1 release with backports denied but long<br> +life, and the 2nd with backports and update but during a shorter period.<br> +(X.0 would be the new distro with backports, X.1 the one more servers<br> +oriented or enterprise).<br> +<br> +What do you think ?<br> +<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote><div><font color="#888888"><br>i am not pro this, i think this is better to have the same policy for all the releases.</font></div></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/138c9beb/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/138c9beb/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..325123a62 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/138c9beb/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im">* Buchan Milne (<a href="mailto:bgmilne@multilinks.com">bgmilne@multilinks.com</a>) wrote:<br> +</div><div class="im">> On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:39:09 Tux99 wrote:<br> +> > On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote:<br> +><br> +</div><div class="im">> > 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good<br> +> > judgement and not include major incompatible version changes<br> +><br> +> You are aware that this is significantly more work than 'mdvsys submit -t<br> +> 2010.1 --define section=main/backports $package' (after some minimal testing of<br> +> course)?<br> +<br> +</div>This part of the discuss let me think something.<br> +<br> +We have both some people wanting huge set of backport and other wanting<br> +long life release w/o change except security/bug fix.<br> +<br> +So, why not alternate both, 1 release with backports denied but long<br> +life, and the 2nd with backports and update but during a shorter period.<br> +(X.0 would be the new distro with backports, X.1 the one more servers<br> +oriented or enterprise).<br> +<br> +What do you think ?<br> +<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote><div><font color="#888888"><br>i am not pro this, i think this is better to have the same policy for all the releases.</font></div></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/2cf93f52/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/2cf93f52/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d2ba55ced --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/2cf93f52/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you wouldn't<br> +put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes up to 24<br> +hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB IIRC<br> +on a desktop machine.<br> +<br> +...<br> +<br> +BTW, i'm all for LibreOffice!<br> +<br> +Regards<br><font color="#888888"> +<br> +Florian Hubold<br> +</font></blockquote><br></div>What kind of desktop machine (i.e. CPU, RAM specs)?<br>I'm with LibreOffice too (has similar story to Mageia after all ;)).<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/2cf93f52/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/2cf93f52/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d2ba55ced --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/2cf93f52/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you wouldn't<br> +put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes up to 24<br> +hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB IIRC<br> +on a desktop machine.<br> +<br> +...<br> +<br> +BTW, i'm all for LibreOffice!<br> +<br> +Regards<br><font color="#888888"> +<br> +Florian Hubold<br> +</font></blockquote><br></div>What kind of desktop machine (i.e. CPU, RAM specs)?<br>I'm with LibreOffice too (has similar story to Mageia after all ;)).<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/5cafca3b/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/5cafca3b/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..83c4883c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/5cafca3b/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>I'd prefered as it is now in Mandriva, a release every 6 months (or 8 months) and backports/testing repos availiable, to have new versions of programs, drivers etc<br> +<br clear="all"><br><div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br> +</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/5cafca3b/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/5cafca3b/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..83c4883c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/5cafca3b/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>I'd prefered as it is now in Mandriva, a release every 6 months (or 8 months) and backports/testing repos availiable, to have new versions of programs, drivers etc<br> +<br clear="all"><br><div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br> +</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/75f9bdaf/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/75f9bdaf/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8caf0ed37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/75f9bdaf/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:14:46 +0800, Ahmad Samir <<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>>寫道:<div class="im"><br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn't be the default web browser, it<br> +has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other<br> +than the defaults do so all the time; the "defaults" only apply for<br> +new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising<br> +too).<br> +</blockquote></div> +Might be my prejudice, but Konqueror don't fit into daily usage,<br> +<br> +after all in the default setting there's Firefox as default browser and<br> +<br> +Konqueror lacks certain functionality which makes it hard to use.<br> +<br> +May be remove it from the default set the KDE4 installation set?<br> +<br> +</blockquote></div><br><div>For KDE, probably better choice is Rekonq now?</div><div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/75f9bdaf/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/75f9bdaf/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8caf0ed37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/75f9bdaf/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:14:46 +0800, Ahmad Samir <<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>>寫道:<div class="im"><br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn't be the default web browser, it<br> +has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other<br> +than the defaults do so all the time; the "defaults" only apply for<br> +new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising<br> +too).<br> +</blockquote></div> +Might be my prejudice, but Konqueror don't fit into daily usage,<br> +<br> +after all in the default setting there's Firefox as default browser and<br> +<br> +Konqueror lacks certain functionality which makes it hard to use.<br> +<br> +May be remove it from the default set the KDE4 installation set?<br> +<br> +</blockquote></div><br><div>For KDE, probably better choice is Rekonq now?</div><div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b6b226ba/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b6b226ba/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e225fdbbb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b6b226ba/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit :<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"> +<br> +<br> +2010/10/1 atilla ontas<br> +<<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a><br></div> +<mailto:<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>>><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +<br> + I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every<br> + 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br> + make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't<br> + be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br> + systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br> + year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br> + space waste.<br> +<br> + One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do<br> + we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and<br> + suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br> + code names.<br> +<br> + What's your opinion?<br> +<br> +<br> +Hi all.<br> +<br> +At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community<br> + what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active<br> +until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about<br> +community preferences.<br> +<br> +We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so we must<br> +be stay in touch about their preferences.<br> +<br> +Cheers<br> +<br> +</div></div></blockquote> +<br> +Where is the survey?<br><font color="#888888"> +<br> +Marc<br> +<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Sorry, the word is "poll" :P</div><div><br></div><div>Blogdrake is the mandriva's oficial spanish-spoken forum.</div><div><br></div><div>You can find the poll at the frontpage: <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b6b226ba/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b6b226ba/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e225fdbbb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b6b226ba/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit :<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"> +<br> +<br> +2010/10/1 atilla ontas<br> +<<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a><br></div> +<mailto:<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>>><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> +<br> + I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every<br> + 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br> + make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't<br> + be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br> + systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br> + year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br> + space waste.<br> +<br> + One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do<br> + we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and<br> + suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br> + code names.<br> +<br> + What's your opinion?<br> +<br> +<br> +Hi all.<br> +<br> +At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community<br> + what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active<br> +until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about<br> +community preferences.<br> +<br> +We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so we must<br> +be stay in touch about their preferences.<br> +<br> +Cheers<br> +<br> +</div></div></blockquote> +<br> +Where is the survey?<br><font color="#888888"> +<br> +Marc<br> +<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Sorry, the word is "poll" :P</div><div><br></div><div>Blogdrake is the mandriva's oficial spanish-spoken forum.</div><div><br></div><div>You can find the poll at the frontpage: <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b8110665/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b8110665/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2e4428107 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b8110665/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:29:25 +0800, Ahmad Samir <<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>>寫道:<div class="im"><br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don't like<br> +dolphin for some reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares<br> +some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don't work in dolphin if<br> +konqueror isn't installed).<br> +<br> +</blockquote></div> +That part of code should be split as independent share package, isn't it?<br> +<br> +Also, is it possible to use other browsers to do the same job? I think<br> +<br> +Konqueror should only in the full task package set you install kde4 (task-kde4),<br> +<br> +not in the core task package set (task-kde4-minimal).<br> +</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and browser. May be for others too<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b8110665/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b8110665/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2e4428107 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b8110665/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:29:25 +0800, Ahmad Samir <<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>>寫道:<div class="im"><br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don't like<br> +dolphin for some reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares<br> +some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don't work in dolphin if<br> +konqueror isn't installed).<br> +<br> +</blockquote></div> +That part of code should be split as independent share package, isn't it?<br> +<br> +Also, is it possible to use other browsers to do the same job? I think<br> +<br> +Konqueror should only in the full task package set you install kde4 (task-kde4),<br> +<br> +not in the core task package set (task-kde4-minimal).<br> +</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and browser. May be for others too<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/cc27a888/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/cc27a888/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1935e2805 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/cc27a888/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +I think that I read somewhere that Mandriva <i>started </i>as KDE centric. AFAIK, Gnome, KDE and some other popular DE are supported and Mandriva spent an important effort to make them look alike from the main menu and other customizations point of view.<br> +As file browsers I like Dolphin, Konqueror and I use Krusader a lot.<br>As internet browser, Firefox is my favorite, although I use Opera occasionally (it's ergonomic, free but not open sourced). I would like to see Firefox having Chrome's architecture (each tab in its process) and less memory consumer (this is due to plugins too - the pluggable architecture is what makes me stick with it).<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/cc27a888/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/cc27a888/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1935e2805 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/cc27a888/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +I think that I read somewhere that Mandriva <i>started </i>as KDE centric. AFAIK, Gnome, KDE and some other popular DE are supported and Mandriva spent an important effort to make them look alike from the main menu and other customizations point of view.<br> +As file browsers I like Dolphin, Konqueror and I use Krusader a lot.<br>As internet browser, Firefox is my favorite, although I use Opera occasionally (it's ergonomic, free but not open sourced). I would like to see Firefox having Chrome's architecture (each tab in its process) and less memory consumer (this is due to plugins too - the pluggable architecture is what makes me stick with it).<br> |