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I don't think it can be (due to +</I>><i> Mandriva's switch to rpm5). Or do you mean you reformatted the relevant +</I>><i> partitions and installed a new system? +</I> +It's a fresh install, sorry for not being clear. + +[...] + +><i> > On boot, there was a long delay followed by "Loading program" and a +</I>><i> > progress bar appearing and disappearing again almost before I had time +</I>><i> > to read the message. This didn't seem optimal. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I see. What are your system's specifications? I think I usually install from a +</I>><i> CD (just to have a working system) and then install more packages using urpmi. I +</I>><i> am downloading the DVD .iso now and will try it in a VirtualBox VM later to see +</I>><i> if I can reproduce any problems. +</I> +It's several years old, HP Media Center m7680n with 8G of RAM, +Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 2.1GHz, DDR2 533MHz memory. + +><i> > Choice of keyboard - there was a link to wikipedia in the Help text, but +</I>><i> > it gave me an error that there was no network. There are two entries for +</I>><i> > US Keyboard with no obvious reason, and a third for US International +</I>><i> > (which I chose since I'm not in the US :-)) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds like a bug or at least a problem in the installer. Can you file a bug +</I>><i> for it on <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/">https://bugs.mageia.org/</A> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I have 2 disk drives. the installer wanted to use the spare space on my +</I>><i> > Windows drive, when the other drive already had Linux. Yes, I could +</I>><i> > choose from the drop-down, but it wasn't clear that I was choosing where +</I>><i> > to put Mageia. Suggest add, +</I>><i> > Multiple disk drives found. Choose which one you want to use for the +</I>><i> > main Mageia system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds like a good enhancement. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The disk was formatted. That was actually what I wanted, in this case, +</I>><i> > but please add a warning that data will be lost - most humans on the +</I>><i> > planet won't know that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, true. Of course, you cannot expect your users to read: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000062.html">http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000062.html</A> +</I> +No, but Mageia Linux's installer is obviously primarily intended at the +experienced or dedicated hobbyist or the experienced system +administrator. + +Long term, Magiea needs of course to target (1) people new to Linux, +whether or not they are new to computers in general, and (2) programmers +and packagers, to keep the distribution and community alive, whether or +not they are administrators. This double-headed focus was a lot of the +success of Mandrake Linux and in fact led to a response from Red Hat - +Fedora. + + +><i> > There's no indication of how long the formatting will take, +</I>[...] +><i> > Suggest progress bar or at least some quotes from Moliére. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Heh. Well, formatting normally did not take too long for me, at least not in +</I>><i> its fast formatting mode. But maybe a progress bar will be doable. +</I> +I said yes to doing a block scan. + +><i> Oh, bad block scan. :-(. It should be displayed in the graphical installer. +</I>Yes. + + +><i> > I'm assuming the graphics and ugly font are not final. If they are, the +</I>><i> > pink stripes look like an error. Maybe caused by running my monitor +</I>><i> > (1920x1200/"deep colour") in 800x600 16-bit mode. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'll see if it happens to me in the installer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The long list of packages being installed - would be nicer to show the +</I>><i> > name of the current package, and its description, and more slowly to +</I>><i> > show a more detailed description of just one program. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By default the installer does not display the names of the packages installed I +</I>><i> think - just a progress bar. +</I>I don't think I did anything special to get the list of packages, but +maybe. + +><i> > If there was a clear and obvious option to choose the LCD's native +</I>><i> > resolution, a font like Matthew Carter's Bitstream Charter Italic would +</I>><i> > look more sophisticated and also get more information on a line. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is it an open font. +</I>Not sure, it s distributed with the X Window System and xorg. +We could use something from openfontlibrary too, that's a good point. + +><i> +</I>><i> > Choosing a desktop - help said "broken link" +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Shouldn't the help be included inside the installer's media. +</I> +Help is there for most other things. + +><i> +</I>><i> > Choosing a desktop - please add versions, not just KDE, GNOME, Other. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not sure versions are a good idea because they may be confusing. I'm also +</I>><i> not sure many users who start with Linux will understand the difference between +</I>><i> KDE, GNOME or whatever, so maybe we should pick one or the other by default. +</I> +Many people know whether they want gnome 2 or 3 right now, and for +people who don't know the difference it's no more confusing. + +><i> +</I>><i> > Also, I might want both KDE and GNOME installed, so I don't want to +</I>><i> > choose just one and not the other. If I'll get a chance to install more +</I>><i> > desktops later in the installer, please say so more clearly, not buried +</I>><i> > in help (once the link to help is fixed)... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes. +</I> +(there was no such option during install) + + +><i> > The installer seems much slower than it used to be, but maybe that's +</I>><i> > changes in rpm? Three hours to install packages is a long time. Although +</I>><i> > having said that, maybe the estimates were just wrong. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How strange. I was able to install Mageia 2 in a VM (from the Dual CD though) +</I>><i> in a few minutes. +</I> + +><i> > +</I>><i> > At the end, several hours later, the DVD is ejected and the system tries +</I>><i> > to reboot... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > PANIC cannot mount proc on /proc! Compile the kernel with +</I>><i> > CONFIG_PROC_FS! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Hmm. Well, I saw something go by about this on the mailing list so maybe +</I>><i> > I can fix it without another 7-hour download of the DVD image. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Overall, though, the installer needs a huge injection of "slickness". +</I>><i> > It's_almost_ there, but in graphic design "almost" doesn't get you a +</I>><i> > cigar. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's true. By the way “GUI Design" is not graphic design. +</I> +No, but graphic design is part of GUI design too :-) There are aspects +that are subjectives and aspects that are to do with they way human +vision and perception operate, which is why there are strong elements in +common e.g. between Hindi, English, Spanish, Hebrew and Arabic. + +The things that make "slickness" are more or less constant across +cultures: align things, treat similar things similarly, use contrast, +compositional balance, proximity (I love Robin Williams' summary of +these principles). + +Thank you for replying! + +Liam + +-- +Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A> +Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A> +Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="021301.html">[Mageia-dev] 3.0 release - some initial notes; failure +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="021233.html">[Mageia-dev] usbdumper - what's the status? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#21324">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#21324">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#21324">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#21324">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |