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I don't think it can be (due to +Mandriva's switch to rpm5). Or do you mean you reformatted the relevant +partitions and installed a new system? + +><i> +</I>><i> Some notes. Mostly about problems because I never got to see a working +</I>><i> system, so the tone is probably more negative than I'd like. +</I>><i> +</I> +No problem with that for me - bring on the negativity, I say, because that will +help us improve the program. Also Lawrence Lessig's anecdote which I quoted at: + +<A HREF="http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/How_to_start_contributing_to_or_using_Open_Source_Software#Some_Mental_Preparation">http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/How_to_start_contributing_to_or_using_Open_Source_Software#Some_Mental_Preparation</A> + +(short URL - <A HREF="http://xrl.us/biknkf">http://xrl.us/biknkf</A> ). + +><i> +</I>><i> On boot, there was a long delay followed by "Loading program" and a +</I>><i> progress bar appearing and disappearing again almost before I had time +</I>><i> to read the message. This didn't seem optimal. +</I> +I see. What are your system's specifications? I think I usually install from a +CD (just to have a working system) and then install more packages using urpmi. I +am downloading the DVD .iso now and will try it in a VirtualBox VM later to see +if I can reproduce any problems. + +><i> +</I>><i> Choice of keyboard - there was a link to wikipedia in the Help text, but +</I>><i> it gave me an error that there was no network. There are two entries for +</I>><i> US Keyboard with no obvious reason, and a third for US International +</I>><i> (which I chose since I'm not in the US :-)) +</I> +Sounds like a bug or at least a problem in the installer. Can you file a bug +for it on <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/">https://bugs.mageia.org/</A> ? + +><i> +</I>><i> I have 2 disk drives. the installer wanted to use the spare space on my +</I>><i> Windows drive, when the other drive already had Linux. Yes, I could +</I>><i> choose from the drop-down, but it wasn't clear that I was choosing where +</I>><i> to put Mageia. Suggest add, +</I>><i> Multiple disk drives found. Choose which one you want to use for the +</I>><i> main Mageia system. +</I> +Sounds like a good enhancement. + +><i> +</I>><i> The disk was formatted. That was actually what I wanted, in this case, +</I>><i> but please add a warning that data will be lost - most humans on the +</I>><i> planet won't know that. +</I> +Yes, true. Of course, you cannot expect your users to read: + +<A HREF="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000062.html">http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000062.html</A> + +Or like my Technion lecturer once noted in one of the first talks in our +Computer Graphics course, which taught us about designing for usability (from +the P.O.V. of this book - +<A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/books-recommends/#design_of_everyday_things">http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/books-recommends/#design_of_everyday_things</A> +) a typical session can go like that: + +User: delete "My_most_important_work.doc" +Computer: are you sure? [Yes] [No] +User: Yes! +Computer "My_most_important_work.doc" deleted. +User: damn! + +But I approve of issuing a warning before that, or somehow preventing this +from happening. + +><i> +</I>><i> There's no indication of how long the formatting will take, or how much +</I>><i> has been done. I'll leave it running for an hour or two (it's a 250G +</I>><i> SATA hard drive) and see if it finishes, or maybe it crashed. +</I>><i> Please add a note that this may take a long time, preferably with an +</I>><i> OK/Cancel/Skip since (1) it wasn't needed here, and (2) users may well +</I>><i> give it a minute or so and then move on to the next Linux distribution +</I>><i> on the magazine, saying "Mageia hung my computer, it's crap." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Suggest progress bar or at least some quotes from Moliére. +</I> +Heh. Well, formatting normally did not take too long for me, at least not in +its fast formatting mode. But maybe a progress bar will be doable. + +><i> +</I>><i> Note: eventually the bad block scan started giving a progress percentage +</I>><i> on another virtual terminal, but most users won't find that, of course, +</I>><i> even if they wait half an hour or more for it to begin. +</I> +Oh, bad block scan. :-(. It should be displayed in the graphical installer. + +><i> +</I>><i> I'm assuming the graphics and ugly font are not final. If they are, the +</I>><i> pink stripes look like an error. Maybe caused by running my monitor +</I>><i> (1920x1200/"deep colour") in 800x600 16-bit mode. +</I> +I'll see if it happens to me in the installer. + +><i> +</I>><i> The long list of packages being installed - would be nicer to show the +</I>><i> name of the current package, and its description, and more slowly to +</I>><i> show a more detailed description of just one program. +</I> +By default the installer does not display the names of the packages installed I +think - just a progress bar. + +><i> +</I>><i> If there was a clear and obvious option to choose the LCD's native +</I>><i> resolution, a font like Matthew Carter's Bitstream Charter Italic would +</I>><i> look more sophisticated and also get more information on a line. +</I>><i> +</I> +Is it an open font. + +><i> Choosing a desktop - help said "broken link" +</I>><i> +</I> +Shouldn't the help be included inside the installer's media. + +><i> Choosing a desktop - please add versions, not just KDE, GNOME, Other. +</I>><i> +</I> +I'm not sure versions are a good idea because they may be confusing. I'm also +not sure many users who start with Linux will understand the difference between +KDE, GNOME or whatever, so maybe we should pick one or the other by default. + +><i> Also, I might want both KDE and GNOME installed, so I don't want to +</I>><i> choose just one and not the other. If I'll get a chance to install more +</I>><i> desktops later in the installer, please say so more clearly, not buried +</I>><i> in help (once the link to help is fixed)... +</I> +Yes. + +><i> +</I>><i> The installer seems much slower than it used to be, but maybe that's +</I>><i> changes in rpm? Three hours to install packages is a long time. Although +</I>><i> having said that, maybe the estimates were just wrong. +</I> +How strange. I was able to install Mageia 2 in a VM (from the Dual CD though) +in a few minutes. + +><i> +</I>><i> At the end, several hours later, the DVD is ejected and the system tries +</I>><i> to reboot... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> PANIC cannot mount proc on /proc! Compile the kernel with +</I>><i> CONFIG_PROC_FS! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hmm. Well, I saw something go by about this on the mailing list so maybe +</I>><i> I can fix it without another 7-hour download of the DVD image. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Overall, though, the installer needs a huge injection of "slickness". +</I>><i> It's_almost_ there, but in graphic design "almost" doesn't get you a +</I>><i> cigar. +</I> +That's true. By the way “GUI Design" is not graphic design. You can design good +GUI without being a competent graphics designer. Designing web sites or Web +UI with their stylish look and everything should look different than every +other site, is a different issue, and from my experience, some web designs tend +to be considered outdated, and some users (though different ones each time) will +complain that they don't like your style. You cannot please all the people all +the time. + +Regards, + + Shlomi Fish + +><i> +</I>><i> Liam +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------- +Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A> +List of Networking Clients - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/net-clients">http://shlom.in/net-clients</A> + +Java is a DSL (= Domain Specific Language) to transform big XML documents +into long exception stack traces. — Scott Bellware + +Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> . +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="021227.html">[Mageia-dev] 3.0 release - some initial notes; failure +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="021324.html">[Mageia-dev] 3.0 release - some initial notes; failure +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#21301">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#21301">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#21301">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#21301">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |