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I assume +</I>>>><i> people won't understand that it'll log anyways, just in memory. So no +</I>>>><i> point in giving an option that does not do what people might expect. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Just one point about this. It was said during meeting that having +</I>>><i> journalctl by default could break some other software like fail2ban. +</I>>><i> This should be checked. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some software relies on /var/log/messages and as such syslog. Journal +</I>><i> does not break anything. But if you then remove syslog, then result is +</I>><i> that such things will break. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Same for gnome-system-log. IMO we should fix that software which relies +</I>><i> on /var/log/messages (before 3 and if found afterwards, provide +</I>><i> updates). For unmaintained software, deal with it as any other. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> /var/log/messages usually contains this weeks log messages. It is pretty +</I>><i> trivial to replace that with the output of journalctl. +</I>><i> +</I> +I think the best thing for Mga3 is to both install journald and +upgrade rsyslog too by sticking it on install medias. + +Then we add in Mga 3 release notes that for upgrades rsyslog +will be upgraded, but new installs will only have journald, +so people wanting / needing it _must_ install it manually. + +And we also add the in the notes that we *might* obsolete +(but not remove from repos, to still keep it as an option) +it during upgrades in coming mga releases if journald gains +all the features needed to really replace rsyslog. +So we suggest people start trying to see if journald can +provide all that they need. + +As a side note... +when journald was first introduced I had the "what for..." +reaction too as I was so used to grepping syslogs for +stuff I needed... :) + +But now when I have gotten used to journalctl and the power +of it, I dont really need the old logs anymore :) + +-- +Thomas + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="022655.html">[Mageia-dev] Logging + Provides/Requires (Re: [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="022658.html">[Mageia-dev] Logging + Provides/Requires (Re: [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#22657">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#22657">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#22657">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#22657">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |